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Tainari88 wrote:Hakeer, Puerto Rico needed to break away from the USA a long, long time ago.

The island Puerto Ricans are non voting statutory citizens. Not constitutionally guaranteed citizens. It is a one way type of citizenship in which the US Congress is the one who rules over Puerto Rico in a one way relationship, where the islanders have no say so of import on anything at all locally. All the power rests in the US Congress.

If you study the Insular Cases that were challenged about Puerto Rico's status in the SCOTUS arguments? It is basically there in black and white. Never going to give us statehood or independence. Just colonial dependent one way street exploitation status. They have to do so. The alternative is creating a legal precedent in which almost all of the land and resources that were about illegal moves will be nullified and voided and then a tsumani of law suits (study the Department of the Interior cases in the US government archives). From Native American land reclamations, American Samoa land disputes with the US military, Marshall Islander claims, US Virgin Islands, Solomon Islands, Guam, and there are a long list of statutory problems of people who occupied a land base and the US government using illegal force imposed citizenship on them to grab land. But it was not a fully guaranteed constitutional citizenship. It was a second rate statutory non voting with no real representation citizenship. Hawaii got an apology from the Clinton administration accepting that the overthrow of the Queen of Hawaii was illgeal. But it is over. Most Hawaiian land is occupied and controled by US corporations and US military and US backed banks and businesses. Too late. They are trying to get something back. Too late for that once you are a state. You lost your country. To the Greedy and the Immoral. That is the reality of losing to people who impose with violence on your sovereignty. No one discusses it in the USA: It is never discussed because it exposes the ugliness of Empire and what it requires to keep the charade of Democracy.

If they give in to Puerto Rico with the statehood or independence pressures? They lose control of that land base. They lose control of the balance of power.

They intend to abuse us forever. without ever ending the colonization. The only scenario where it might end is selling us off to another foreign power for either cash or a better deal for the US with that foreign power. A trinket of war.

Like Spain did.

If that were to happen? You will see very very angry Puerto Ricans. And an IRA Irish Republic situation might happen. That happened in the 1950s with the nacionalistas and Pedro Albizu Campos.

So, I say let them keep insulting Puerto Ricans. We need as a people to be united. To make positive change. We can agree to not deal with racist people with racist mindsets. Everyone agrees on that one in Puerto Rico.

The pro Independence option is almost the same as the pro Statehood Puerto Ricans. Once that happens if we can unite as one being insulted by the racist Republicans that disparage us publicly and start pulling away from the USA?

It is game over. Independence is going to win.

I think freedom costs a lot in this world. That is why kicking out Empires is critical in Caribbean history. Also Latin American history. They are mostly vampires. Sucking your blood out until you die off.

That has always been the purpose of colonial setups. Draining the lifeblood out of the people who are colonized.

So--let them insult us. They need to see that their racism has consequences.

Everything has consequences.


I would like to have Puerto Rico admitted as a state. To hell with the racists.

Meanwhile, there are a lot of Puerto Rican registered voters in PA, and if the margin there is, as I expect, razor thin, they could put Harris over the top.
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Deutschmania wrote:Stephen Miller , as a Jew , is actually more like a token collaborator . This would make him comparable to both the Judenrat , and the Jewish Ghetto Police . I mean I suppose that it could also be argued that Miller is a traitorous Jewish Nazi , but I suspect that he might be even more likely to simply be a Jewish fascist neo-Zionist .


Miller is best described as white nationalist. The perfect guy for Trump to put in charge of deporting millions of Latinos.
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Hakeer wrote:I would like to have Puerto Rico admitted as a state. To hell with the racists.

Meanwhile, there are a lot of Puerto Rican registered voters in PA, and if the margin there is, as I expect, razor thin, they could put Harris over the top.


For me statehood equals death Hakeer.

The island Puerto Ricans could have left en masse and left the island totally empty if living stateside was their dream. It is not. They want to stay in Puerto Rico, speak Spanish, retain their culture and live out their lives on the land base they call home.

If it becomes a state? The entire culture dies off completely, and the land becomes the playground of the ones with money and power that is not about the locals. Like the Hawaiian natives have to deal with and like in 1912 the state of New Mexico had a bunch of New Mexican Spanish speakers lose their land. And their culture. The majority of the people of the state of New Mexico do not speak any Spanish of any sort. Assimilation has happened.

You stay long enough within the American scheme of things? Your entire history is lost. Your language and yoru culture. If the USA has said clearly that they do not want statehood. And more than half of Puerto Rican voters vote against being a state? It has been over 127 years of bullshit Hakeer on the US Congress' part.

No, I prefer independence. Just break on friendly terms with the USA. Do a transition decolonization plan through the United Nations decolonization committee. Do a transition and a package for 300k military people from Puerto Rico who deserve a package for their service and illegal land grabs and bullshit with us. And end the relationship.

The African Americans have had slavery end back in 1865. It is a long time. The racism is still going. Would you want to be part of a nation that really treats you like shit? Even after speaking English, paying taxes and dying in wars? Be honest?

I think we are obviously Latin Americans. That is who we are. We need to go and be part of Latin America.

Even our national flag is similar to Cuba's. Our history is tied to the Spanish speaking Caribbean islands. Not the US Anglo WASPS and their hatreds of Latin American populations and the Spanish speaking crowds in the USA.

I am not going to think another 100 years in political limbo is the solution.

If Russia invaded the USA and imposed their language and erased US history, beat you up and did tremendous offenses against the US people. For a century including denying votes, using you for medical experiments, killing off rebel leaders fighting for equal rights. Saying you are not allowed to speak English? Being assholes and haters? Would you want to be part of that Hakeer? Yes or no?

Becoming a state opens the door to all the other territories gaining statehood. Including Native American lands lost. Mexican American families who's lands were lost in the Treaty for Guadalupe Hidalgo. They lost their land illegally.

It opens up a can of worms. They are going to marginalize us forever. That is the plan.

But, all of you are brainwashed thinking everyone wants to be American. It is a lie Hakeer. A lot of people want to be who they are. In our case Latin American Caribbean people who speak Spanish.

The Spanish arrived in 1492. They occupied Puerto Rico in 1493. They told us most Tainos died off within the first century. They did DNA testing. 60% + of Puerto Ricans have maternal Taino mitochondrial DNA. They lied. We are very much filled with Native Blood and African blood and Spanish blood.

The American Empire people are not our people. They are not our blood. And they were MIA for over 400 years of our historical story. They only want to hold on to us to use us for war and for commerce.

The percentage of American white folks on the island is tiny Hakeer. They are not us. How hard is that for you to understand?
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Tainari88 wrote:For me statehood equals death Hakeer.

The island Puerto Ricans could have left en masse and left the island totally empty if living stateside was their dream. It is not. They want to stay in Puerto Rico, speak Spanish, retain their culture and live out their lives on the land base they call home.

If it becomes a state? The entire culture dies off completely, and the land becomes the playground of the ones with money and power that is not about the locals. Like the Hawaiian natives have to deal with and like in 1912 the state of New Mexico had a bunch of New Mexican Spanish speakers lose their land. And their culture. The majority of the people of the state of New Mexico do not speak any Spanish of any sort. Assimilation has happened.

You stay long enough within the American scheme of things? Your entire history is lost. Your language and yoru culture. If the USA has said clearly that they do not want statehood. And more than half of Puerto Rican voters vote against being a state? It has been over 127 years of bullshit Hakeer on the US Congress' part.

No, I prefer independence. Just break on friendly terms with the USA. Do a transition decolonization plan through the United Nations decolonization committee. Do a transition and a package for 300k military people from Puerto Rico who deserve a package for their service and illegal land grabs and bullshit with us. And end the relationship.

The African Americans have had slavery end back in 1865. It is a long time. The racism is still going. Would you want to be part of a nation that really treats you like shit? Even after speaking English, paying taxes and dying in wars? Be honest?

I think we are obviously Latin Americans. That is who we are. We need to go and be part of Latin America.

Even our national flag is similar to Cuba's. Our history is tied to the Spanish speaking Caribbean islands. Not the US Anglo WASPS and their hatreds of Latin American populations and the Spanish speaking crowds in the USA.

I am not going to think another 100 years in political limbo is the solution.

If Russia invaded the USA and imposed their language and erased US history, beat you up and did tremendous offenses against the US people. For a century including denying votes, using you for medical experiments, killing off rebel leaders fighting for equal rights. Saying you are not allowed to speak English? Being assholes and haters? Would you want to be part of that Hakeer? Yes or no?

Becoming a state opens the door to all the other territories gaining statehood. Including Native American lands lost. Mexican American families who's lands were lost in the Treaty for Guadalupe Hidalgo. They lost their land illegally.

It opens up a can of worms. They are going to marginalize us forever. That is the plan.

But, all of you are brainwashed thinking everyone wants to be American. It is a lie Hakeer. A lot of people want to be who they are. In our case Latin American Caribbean people who speak Spanish.

The Spanish arrived in 1492. They occupied Puerto Rico in 1493. They told us most Tainos died off within the first century. They did DNA testing. 60% + of Puerto Ricans have maternal Taino mitochondrial DNA. They lied. We are very much filled with Native Blood and African blood and Spanish blood.

The American Empire people are not our people. They are not our blood. And they were MIA for over 400 years of our historical story. They only want to hold on to us to use us for war and for commerce.

The percentage of American white folks on the island is tiny Hakeer. They are not us. How hard is that for you to understand?



What do you think about Hawaii? Would they be better if not a state?
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Hakeer wrote:Miller is best described as white nationalist. The perfect guy for Trump to put in charge of deporting millions of Latinos.


Who knows how successful that turns out to be Hakeer? They said Mexico would pay for the wall? Did they finish the wall and had the socialist president pay for it? :lol:

They lied. But people think all these campaign promises are for real.

Trump hired Latino workers who were undocumented to work in his golf courses, restaurants, Trump tower, etc. He had his ties made in China. He told Roy Cohn he bought him platinum cuff links with diamonds when they were cheap pewter with rhinestones or cubic zirconia.

He is a liar.

But they fall for his shit like ripe mangos after a tropical rain storm. :D
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wat0n wrote:Puerto Ricans have already voted for statehood, their politicians should formally request admission into the union to kickstart the process.


No. They tried that it was stalled. I already told you the reasons why it was stalled.

The last votes.

Read this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alianza_de_Pa%C3%ADs

So Waton the MVC and the PIP united and now are very close to the 30% pro statehood vote. The party that lost a lot of voters has been the old PPD pro colonialism party. That one is bleeding a lot of voters. The PNP satehooders lost a few points and voters too. The one group gaining enormous amounts now are the MVC and PIP Alianza party.

In 2028 if the Republicans keep going with their nasty racism? Victory is in the air for us Wat0n. The American racists are going to cause a rift...a big one. ;)

If you get your US citizenship in time Wat0n? You can vote for the Republican party Nasty racists. Kiss their asses and agree. Hide your Chilean background too. Say you are more Yankee than they are. Be part of the Nasty Ones. :lol:
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Tainari88 wrote:No. They tried that it was stalled. I already told you the reasons why it was stalled.

The last votes.

Read this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alianza_de_Pa%C3%ADs

So Waton the MVC and the PIP united and now are very close to the 30% pro statehood vote. The party that lost a lot of voters has been the old PPD pro colonialism party. That one is bleeding a lot of voters. The PNP satehooders lost a few points and voters too. The one group gaining enormous amounts now are the MVC and PIP Alianza party.

In 2028 if the Republicans keep going with their nasty racism? Victory is in the air for us Wat0n. The American racists are going to cause a rift...a big one. ;)


Then you have even stronger reasons to want your elected officials to just listen to the voters.

If Congress rejects the admission request, you'll have a much stronger case for independence.

Tainari88 wrote:If you get your US citizenship in time Wat0n? You can vote for the Republican party Nasty racists. Kiss their asses and agree. Hide your Chilean background too. Say you are more Yankee than they are. Be part of the Nasty Ones. :lol:


I'd not vote for Trump on this one.
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Hakeer wrote:What do you think about Hawaii? Would they be better if not a state?


That is a question you pose to the Native Hawaiians. Not to the ones who took over Hawaii and live well and never give a second thoght to the history of the Hawaiian islands and go and eat at McDonald's and do not speak Native Hawaiian and never studied who Sanford Dole was.

BTW, Puerto Rican workers were brought to the Hawaiian islands long ago to work the pineapple and sugar plantations on the Hawaiian islands. They lost their Spanish but still do their traditional music and food. Hawaiian Puerto Ricans they are known as.

Here are two videos to answer that question. Bianca Graulau is a Puerto Rican island based journalist. She does videos in English. She was invited to interview the Hawaiians. This is what they told her:



https://youtube.com/shorts/JHH6oFhhW5M? ... K0xEUsUD06
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wat0n wrote:Then you have even stronger reasons to want your elected officials to just listen to the voters.

If Congress rejects the admission request, you'll have a much stronger case for independence.



I'd not vote for Trump on this one.


Have you been paying attention to the actions of the US Congress and the US Senate? They kill any binding bills. To kill the binding means that even if Puerto Rican voters voted for statehood it is not going to be respected. Do you know how many times it has been stamped as NOT BINDING? A lot of times. They are telling you straight up. Do not vote for it because it will not be passed.

Plus, right now The Alianza (PIP and MVC) are polling at 28% of the electorate. The PNP (statehooders) are polling at 30% and PPD at around 12% and the other two minor parties split the rest of the vote.

There does not exist a super majority for statehood. If the Puerto Ricans thought packing their bags and living in Chicago was worth leaving the island for? Why don't they do that? They do not have your green card problems and visas and red tape Wat0n.

They are not interested in living in Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia, Allentown, Orlando, etc. They want to stay on the island. No interest in living on the mainland.

Why? Ask that question. because the unemployment is bad, the prices are high and the chaos is large. Why stay? The answer is that is their home. Their culture. They are not interested in speaking English first and being American Anglos or assimilating. They want to stay with their compatriotas. End of the story.

Why should they only like the USA? It is foolish. Lol.

The Indians in India speak English. Does it mean they want to be British? No. They want to stay in ther Asian culture and religion and customs and use English as a commercial way of doing business.

The US has to stop thinking everyone wants the American Dream. There are a lot of Puerto Ricans who want to live well financially and live in their own culture. That is what most people want. Stay home, live decently and who cares about Nasty Republican Racist opinions that have no real sway in their social life.
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Tainari88 wrote:Have you been paying attention to the actions of the US Congress and the US Senate? They kill any binding bills. To kill the binding means that even if Puerto Rican voters voted for statehood it is not going to be respected. Do you know how many times it has been stamped as NOT BINDING? A lot of times. They are telling you straight up. Do not vote for it because it will not be passed.

Plus, right now The Alianza (PIP and MVC) are polling at 28% of the electorate. The PNP (statehooders) are polling at 30% and PPD at around 12% and the other two minor parties split the rest of the vote.

There does not exist a super majority for statehood. If the Puerto Ricans thought packing their bags and living in Chicago was worth leaving the island for? Why don't they do that? They do not have your green card problems and visas and red tape Wat0n.

They are not interested in living in Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia, Allentown, Orlando, etc. They want to stay on the island. No interest in living on the mainland.

Why? Ask that question. because the unemployment is bad, the prices are high and the chaos is large. Why stay? The answer is that is their home. Their culture. They are not interested in speaking English first and being American Anglos or assimilating. They want to stay with their compatriotas. End of the story.

Why should they only like the USA? It is foolish. Lol.

The Indians in India speak English. Does it mean they want to be British? No. They want to stay in ther Asian culture and religion and customs and use English as a commercial way of doing business.

The US has to stop thinking everyone wants the American Dream. There are a lot of Puerto Ricans who want to live well financially and live in their own culture. That is what most people want. Stay home, live decently and who cares about Nasty Republican Racist opinions that have no real sway in their social life.


Then you should want even more to have Congress to openly reject PR's admission into the Union.

That would lead statehood Puerto Ricans demand independence, wouldn't it? And the US would find it hard to sell denying them their wish after rejecting their statehood request, both at home and abroad.
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Well the election is really close -> My prediction still stands Democrats/Kamala win the election but I think that downgrading perhaps from large margin described on page 1 it seems to be a bit closer so I am not sure if I should change that. I am kind off undecided, there are many global factors in favour of Kamala and inflation is against her I suppose but less so than for Biden I think.

I really don't know, on one side i wanna say still large Margin for Kamala but on the other it seems its gonna be a not so large margin... What should I consider more important global factors or the polls? I always looked more at global factors while polls were more or less be damned be it with Trump or Biden before hmmmm.

Alrights lets go Kamala/Democrats win with large margin than anyone of you expect.
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JohnRawls wrote:Well the election is really close -> My prediction still stands Democrats/Kamala win the election but I think that downgrading perhaps from large margin described on page 1 it seems to be a bit closer so I am not sure if I should change that. I am kind off undecided, there are many global factors in favour of Kamala and inflation is against her I suppose but less so than for Biden I think.

I really don't know, on one side i wanna say still large Margin for Kamala but on the other it seems its gonna be a not so large margin... What should I consider more important global factors or the polls? I always looked more at global factors while polls were more or less be damned be it with Trump or Biden before hmmmm.

Alrights lets go Kamala/Democrats win with large margin than anyone of you expect.


It is all down to some Puerto Ricans in North Carolina and Pennsylvania casting their votes against anti Puerto Rican comments at the rally.

Jennifer Lopez and Bad Bunny rap against the comedian and half a million Puerto Ricans get upset and Trump loses. LOL.

Revenge of the Puerto Ricans.

Look at this Maria Hurricane Rican going door to door trying to get votes against Trump man....lol.





Lol.

Nydia is against statehood and she is from a pro independence family. Her father was a sugar cane worker organizer. She grew up advocating for separation from the USA. She has a lot more power than Jenniffer Gonzalez the conservative pro statehood NON VOTER.

It is incredible how stupid those jokes were at the end of that rally. :lol:
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JohnRawls wrote:Well the election is really close -> My prediction still stands Democrats/Kamala win the election but I think that downgrading perhaps from large margin described on page 1 it seems to be a bit closer so I am not sure if I should change that. I am kind off undecided, there are many global factors in favour of Kamala and inflation is against her I suppose but less so than for Biden I think.

I really don't know, on one side i wanna say still large Margin for Kamala but on the other it seems its gonna be a not so large margin... What should I consider more important global factors or the polls? I always looked more at global factors while polls were more or less be damned be it with Trump or Biden before hmmmm.

Alrights lets go Kamala/Democrats win with large margin than anyone of you expect.


Predictions:
1. PA will decide the election.
2. The margin will be 0.5% or less.
3. There will scandals and rumors of scandals.
4. There will be a recount.
5. If Trump is still losing after all of the above, it goes to the Trumpster Supreme Court.
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wat0n wrote:Then you should want even more to have Congress to openly reject PR's admission into the Union.

That would lead statehood Puerto Ricans demand independence, wouldn't it? And the US would find it hard to sell denying them their wish after rejecting their statehood request, both at home and abroad.


You are not up to speed on the latest are you?

Jenniffer Gonzalez already tried to push that agenda. She had to get Velazquez and AOC to back her. It all died in the US Senate. It always does.

Why? They kill it because again. If it is binding they have to act on it. They do not want that. They want to float that for another one hundred years.

Meanwhile, the islanders are increasing the independence votes.

Why? Because if they fail to serve Puerto Rico's interest? Eventually the mainland Puerto Ricans are going to really want all of it to change. Do not assume that just because Puerto Ricans are born and raised in the states that they want statehood for Puerto Rico. They do not. The most powerful Puerto Ricans in the US Congress are ALL pro independence Puerto Ricans.

Why? If you can't figure it out? You weren't paying attention to US politics.

Not everyone wants to be living in the states at all.

People want to live in their own cultures. That is the way it is.
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Hakeer wrote:Predictions:
1. PA will decide the election.
2. The margin will be 0.5% or less.
3. There will scandals and rumors of scandals.
4. There will be a recount.
5. If Trump is still losing after all of the above, it goes to the Trumpster Supreme Court.


The Supreme Court declares victory for Trump. He rounds up Pocahontas Elizabeth Warren, and AOC, and Bernie Sanders, etc. The goon squad from Trump dissolves the Department of Education, closes down the Justice Department. Jack Smith is assassinated under suspicious circumstances. He kills off his enemies from within. A bunch of Ricans start rounding up Lindsay Graham types and leaves them scared stiff. It is a Civil War folks.

Bad Bunny does a Spanish rap against Trump....

Trump tu culo esta lleno de mierda,
Tu sobaco lleno de sicote apesta,
Tu eres un viejo verde,
Y tu mentalidad no se prende,

Viejo chocho embustero,
Nadie te quiere por culero,

Vas a perder las elecciones,
Simplemente por que te faltan cojones,
Eres un bicho raro,
Apúrate papi evita el disparo.

The crowd goes wild and Bad Bunny makes a couple of million a minute,

Benito says Ay Bendito...and it is over folks. Kamala WINS.

JLo sings some Selena tunes.....like this...at the inauguration.

Lol.

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Tainari88 wrote:The Supreme Court declares victory for Trump. He rounds up Pocahontas Elizabeth Warren, and AOC, and Bernie Sanders, etc. The goon squad from Trump dissolves the Department of Education, closes down the Justice Department. Jack Smith is assassinated under suspicious circumstances. He kills off his enemies from within. A bunch of Ricans start rounding up Lindsay Graham types and leaves them scared stiff. It is a Civil War folks.

Bad Bunny does a Spanish rap against Trump....

Trump tu culo esta lleno de mierda,
Tu sobaco lleno de sicote apesta,
Tu eres un viejo verde,
Y tu mentalidad no se prende,

Viejo chocho embustero,
Nadie te quiere por culero,

Vas a perder las elecciones,
Simplemente por que te faltan cojones,
Eres un bicho raro,
Apúrate papi evita el disparo.

The crowd goes wild and Bad Bunny makes a couple of million a minute,

Benito says Ay Bendito...and it is over folks. Kamala WINS.

JLo sings some Selena tunes.....like this...at the inauguration.

Lol.



All is well that ends well.
Or maybe, he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
#15328519
Skynet wrote:Hail Trump! Inshallah he will be a just and wise Emperor of USA and understand us Muslims.

I draw with AI an pic for the 1st Emperor of America:

Image




Do you really like Trump that much? The man is old, and farts a lot. He also got plastic surgery on this head to cover up some male pattern baldness and he got liposuction to get the fat out of his belly because he was too lazy to follow a diet and exercise plan that requires effort on his part.

The man really lacks self discipline in the worst way.

He is going to be worse off now--controlled by some handlers or ignored. He is not going to be in charge. He is going to be held in captivity and the ones making decisions are going to be the ones surrounding him.

If he wins? It is going to be a really weird four years. Or it may be he is never leaving. He is staying.
#15328520
Hakeer wrote:All is well that ends well.
Or maybe, he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.


No, American culture that is about worshipping the Golden Calf has picked its poison Hakeer.

All pretenses of following democracy has fallen away. Now, it is about who is noisier, who wants to win with violence more, and who is going to make sure they never give in to what the average voter wants. It is about the elite controlling and the authoritarians serving their interests.

Unless the American public wakes up and stops voting for the Emperor? The USA is going to be lost as a democracy. It will spiral into chaos and civil war. The rest of the world is going to keep going and there will be multipolarity in power groups. No more hegemony. That ship has sailed. Or will sail soon.
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