[Rich]

What people fail to consider is that the EU could literally just buy those weapons from the US and gift them to Ukraine. Naturally, the EU wants to avoid that and reward its own defense industry, but for a transition period that would be an option.

Is there no level of cuckoldry that you wouldn't take us to? Donald Trump is threatening to put tariffs on European goods, with the explicit intention of stealing European jobs. We shouldn't buy a single aircraft missile or bullet from the United States unless and until Donald Trump makes a humiliating climb down and promises no more tariffs on European goods. in Britain we should be negotiating now for an emergency return to the European Customs Union. If Donald Trump wants a trade war with Europe lets give it to him. But lets hit him where it hurts in the American military industrial complex. And while we're on this subject it is absolutely vital that we have chip fabs in Europe.

[Bill_Nye]

WSJ: Trump Team Proposes 20-Year Freeze on Ukraine’s NATO Bid in Exchange for Peace

[litwin]

WSJ: Trump Team Proposes 20-Year Freeze on Ukraine’s NATO Bid in Exchange for Peace

Donald Trump wants to cut global oil prices in half ( ITS less than 30 $ US for Urals ) ... if he does so , Moscow empire won´t survive his 4 years in the office ...


https://x.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/18 ... 8093538759

[ingliz]

@wat0n

Useless then when as Mrs Merkel told us any agreements Ukraine made with Russia post-2014 were signed in bad faith and made to be broken.

Why would Putin trust them not to play the same trick thrice?

[wat0n]

@ingliz because then he'll be seen as deciding to continue with the forever war, and snubbing Trump - the POTUS that will give him the best deal he could ever hope for.

[litwin]

@wat0n

Useless then when as Mrs Merkel told us any agreements Ukraine made with Russia post-2014 were signed in bad faith and made to be broken.

Why would Putin trust them not to play the same trick thrice?

https://x.com/wartranslated/status/1854503209814884471

[litwin]

President Zelenskyy and current German opposition leader - and highly likely next Chancellor - had a phone call this morning. He was asking the Ukrainian president:

Merz: "What do you need? Money or equipment?"

Zelenskyy: "We have enough money until 2026. We need weapons. We need long-range weapons with no restrictions."

Merz has repeatedly demanded to deliver the TAURUS missile. It is not only a good solutions which is specifically required by Ukraine, but also possible without increasing debts in Germany.

https://x.com/Tendar/status/1854653975691514082

[litwin]

Is there no level of cuckoldry that you wouldn't take us to? Donald Trump is threatening to put tariffs on European goods, with the explicit intention of stealing European jobs. We shouldn't buy a single aircraft missile or bullet from the United States unless and until Donald Trump makes a humiliating climb down and promises no more tariffs on European goods. in Britain we should be negotiating now for an emergency return to the European Customs Union. If Donald Trump wants a trade war with Europe lets give it to him. But lets hit him where it hurts in the American military industrial complex. And while we're on this subject it is absolutely vital that we have chip fabs in Europe.

oil prices already starting to fall...

https://x.com/secretsqrl123/status/1854515036007305256

[Rich]

So a lot of people are asking the question, will the war just carry on now Trump has won the election, having promised to end the war.

So I can't give a guaranteed answer to that, but the question that comes to my mind is, does Netanyahu want the war in Russia-Ukraine to continue? Now my guess is that Netanyahu would like the war to continue, for the simple reason that if the Russia-Ukraine war were to an end, there would be a lot more focus on what he and his more radical allies are getting up to in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon. It just seems to me that it would be a lot eaiser for Israel to create, or continue to create radical new facts on the ground if there is still the distraction of a major war in Ukraine.

[litwin]

So a lot of people are asking the question, will the war just carry on now Trump has won the election, having promised to end the war.

So I can't give a guaranteed answer to that, but the question that comes to my mind is, does Netanyahu want the war in Russia-Ukraine to continue? Now my guess is that Netanyahu would like the war to continue, for the simple reason that if the Russia-Ukraine war were to an end, there would be a lot more focus on what he and his more radical allies are getting up to in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon. It just seems to me that it would be a lot eaiser for Israel to create, or continue to create radical new facts on the ground if there is still the distraction of a major war in Ukraine.

Not a single real-estate company can survive 20% interest payments.

https://x.com/secretsqrl123/status/1854514385080766951

[litwin]

American military contractors will now be able to deploy into Ukraine to help Ukrainian Air Force maintain its fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcons.
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/185 ... _&ref_url=
They should do the same for fighting men and pilots as soon as possible !

[Rancid]

Donald Trump is threatening to put tariffs on European goods, with the explicit intention of stealing European jobs

How does that steal European jobs? I think it just fucks everyone, including the US.

[noemon]

[Rich]

How does that steal European jobs? I think it just fucks everyone, including the US.

It is intended to give an unfair advantage to US manufacturers, making European Businesses uncompetative, forcing them to close or cut back throwing European workers on to the dole so as American companies can expand. Donald Trump has declared economic war on Europe. We should not respond in kind. We should not seek an eye for an eye. Oh no we should seek two eyes and a ear for an eye. Every act of economic warfare by Trump should be countered by double or triple the response. You don't take on bullies like Donald Trump by trying to be reasonable.

I favoured Hilary in 2016 until she went, or at least exposed herself as a demented neo con, intent on supporting genocide in Syria. In the 2020 election cycle I favoured Bernie Sanders until the Neo cons forced all the other candidates to drop out of the primary in favour of Joe Biden. I've favoured Donald Trump over his opponents for a number of reasons, his opposition to Cultural Marxism and the Trans agenda, he's tended to take a stronger stance towards National Socialist China, his recognition of the threat of Islam. But that still leaves an awful lot to disagree with.

The Liberals gas lighting over Ukraine seems to be stepping up, getting even worse.

U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s desire to end Russia’s war against Ukraine is sincere.

What an extraordinary claim to make. I'm not saying Trump's purported desire is insincere, but what person in their right mind would assume any politician's foreign policy claims were sincere, least of all Donald Trump. The Liberals both in the Biden administration and in Europe are doing their maximum to weaken Trump's negotiating leverage.

Did Donald Trump spout nonsense when he said he would end the war in 24 hours even before he came to power, of course he did. But Donald Trump is not responsible for the disaster that has been created by Zelensky, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Boris Johnson, Macron, Kaja Kallas, Rishi Sunak et al. There can be no progress towards peace until that demented autocrat Volymyr Zelensky is firmly put in his place.

[litwin]

Moscow empire 's entire economy is only 5% of the economy of Europe. We could crush Moscow empire if we wanted to ( long time ago) .


https://x.com/MissionArtist/status/1855158495752208810



Ukrainian drones are about to crash those pillars.

[litwin]

Moscow empire has targeted the Estonian ambassador in Kyiv with a kamikaze drone....



a clear signal to D Trump -US-EU-NATO, Now NATO ambassadors are fair game....
Time for Article 5!

[Igor Antunov]

>paid by NATO
>clothed by NATO
>supplied by NATO
>equipped by NATO, first by sending them huge quantities of Soviet gear (whatever could be scrambled or bought), later given latest NATO gear (M777s, Leopard 2s, Bradleys, Strykers, HIMARS, Patriot, and so on)
>trained and directed by NATO
>provided intelligence and other means of support by NATO
>targeting provided by nato
>advanced weapons system maintenance and operation by NATO
>400 surveillance satellites operated by NATO

Ukrainian Army was de facto the largest force NATO could assemble in Europe to fight Russia. Germany, France and UK together could match maybe 15% of their ground forces. We’re talking 130+ brigades and shitload of smaller units.

And Russians just squashed it without even properly mobilising. They might’ve faced difficulties but at no point, not even in late 2022, were they close to being defeated on the battlefield in total.

Only thing they lacked really was air power, but the idea air power would play decisive role in a conflict with such density of air defenses is another wishful imagination.

They more than made up that deficiency by the fact Ukrainians knew how to fight, they had years worth of experience, and their government had no qualms about shedding enormous quantity of blood.

This is why “NATO intervention” is such a laughable proposition. Even in simplistic terms, NATO lacks the forces to decisively intervene in Ukraine. In more complex practice, the idea UK or Germany could send all of their whooping 11 brigades they have together to Ukraine is laughable.

NATO was defeated. It’s over.

[Rich]

NATO was defeated. It’s over.

You made a lot of great points in the above post, but I can't agree with this. Firstly at least some of us want to get away this framing. Constantly seeing anything positive for Russia as negative for Europe. For example, take the rebuilding of Mariupol, this is surly something that all Europeans can celebrate what ever their attitude to the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. But even if we just look at it narrowly in terms of the war, Russia is a long way from achieving even its minimalist objectives.

This war has been plagued by both sides supporters banking gains that haven't actually happened. Eventually Mariinka did fall, after a decade of fighting. Things have definelty speeded up. It took them a lot less than 10 years to capture Heorhivka and Maksymillianiivka probably fell even quicker. The battle for Kurakhove has begun. Kurakhove could fall surprisingly quickly as quite a number of other settlements have fallen this year in southern Donbas. I've no doubt the Russian high command will be relieved at these gains. But reality check, Kurakove is still a long way from Zaphorizhzhia. I could be wrong, but I suspect Zaphorizhzhia's defences are too strong for Russia to assault directly from the south and they will have to take the long route down the H15 highway. And until they reach Zaphorizhzhia city, I can't see the Russians being in a strong enough position to cross the Dnieper again.

Now is there any hope for peace? There are some encouraging signs coming out of the Trump administration. But for Russia to regain its trust of the West won't happen over night

[Negotiator]

I keep being amazed how impossible it seems for many westeners to understand the approach of Russia to war.

I'm not a military expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I hear this from all military experts I listen to.

Russia has been attacked again and again over the centuries, and they've won against all attackers.

And in many situations the preconditions for Russia have been much worse than in the current conflict.

And yet they won every time.



Namely their first priority wasnt gaining, or not losing ground.

For example back in WW2 Germany lost a lot of their soldiers simply because they insisted to hold ground that was hard to defend, instead of moving back into better defensible positions.

Btw thats exactly what Zelensky has been doing all this time in this war.

In fact Zelensky is worse than Nazi Germany back then, he just never retreats EVER and keeps losing full military formations because they get surrounded and cant leave anymore.

This malpractice has only recently started to end because ukrainian soldiers more and more no longer follow commands and move out of indefensible positions by themselves.

Btw this and many other problems is why for every soldier that Russia loses Ukraine loses many, around 10-ish or so. Putin officially says seven. This is HIGHLY unusual and wouldnt happen if Russia would use western war strategies, aka landgrabs.

That Ukraine is now losing ground with increasing speed is simply a consequence of them being low on everything, including soldiers. Not that Russia would prioritize gaining ground. They still dont do, and they dont have to.



This is a war of attrition, just like WW1. It will end abruptly when military resources have been sufficiently depleted. Gained or lost ground doesnt matter at all.

Many of the comments in this thread really read like a chess newbie making fun of a chess grandmaster because the later sacrificed a rook and the newbie cant see how thats a good idea.

[Rugoz]

NATO was defeated. It’s over.

NATO isn't even breaking a sweat, least of all the US.

How did you cope the past 2+ years, Igor?

But for Russia to regain its trust of the West won't happen over night

Given Russia has violated every agreement made with Ukraine, I suppose this is another one of your dumb attempts at acting contrarian.