[wat0n]

You forgot:

Just the visage of a Palestinian flag is enough to justify Israeli terrorism according to you wat0n.

Quote me on it.

I have already said the hooligans should have been arrested, and if anything the video shows just that. And nobody screamed antisemitism for it either, by the way.

[noemon]

You forgot

You are the one who deliberately fails to distinguish fact:

"Israeli hooligans make weapons and use them to attack locals and police".

from fiction:

"Israeli hooligans make weapons to defend themselves"

Quote me on it.

[wat0n]

You are the one who deliberately fails to distinguish fact:

"Israeli hooligans make weapons and use them to attack locals and police".

from fiction:

"Israeli hooligans make weapons to defend themselves"

It's not my fault your own source said that he thought the hooligans were arming themselves to defend themselves from people who were bothering them.

And if you actually watched the video (you didn't) the kid clearly arrived once violence had already started. So there's no way he filmed what started it and he was just speculating.

I'm simply quoting Dutch cops there.

Is that all? Because it's a very bullshitty stuff you're pushing.

Also, why haven't the Amsterdam Jew hunters stopped given the Israelis already left the city?

[noemon]

It's not my fault your own source said that he thought the hooligans were arming themselves to defend themselves from people who were bothering them. And if you actually watched the video (you didn't) the kid clearly arrived once violence had already started. So there's no way he filmed what started it and he was just speculating.

Bender did not report that Israeli hooligans "defended themselves from others" as you claimed nor did the kid arrive late at the scene as you are trying to outright lie once again, he filmed Maccabi hooligans exiting the stadium, marching to their hotel, attacking bystanders and police cars on their way to their hotel, then reaching their hotel, leaving it again to march towards the city-centre and eventually attacking the Central Station in an organised manner from both sides to encircle whatever brown-face they could find around the Station after which they were encircled by the police, put in vans and transported elsewhere in the city, not even arrested.

I'm simply quoting Dutch cops there.

Are you quoting someone you disagree with? Doubt if it was a cop or a journalist, the author does not specify whose "colleaque".

Also, why haven't the Amsterdam Jew hunters stopped given the Israelis already left the city?

Evidence required.

[wat0n]

Bender did not report that Israeli hooligans "defended themselves from others" as you claimed nor did the kid arrive late at the scene as you are trying to outright lie once again, he filmed Maccabi hooligans exiting the stadium, marching to their hotel, attacking bystanders and police cars on their way to their hotel, then reaching their hotel, leaving it again to march towards the city-centre and eventually attacking the Central Station in an organised manner from both sides to encircle whatever brown-face they could find around the Station after which they were encircled by the police, put in vans and transported elsewhere in the city, not even arrested.

He didn't if you watch the video.

Things were calm at the stadium, there are no incidents while he's in the subway, he first sees violence when he arrives to the downtown area.

And then he also films Dutch cops arresting the Israeli hooligans, which is something you've strangely ignored too.

Are you quoting someone you disagree with? Doubt if it was a cop or a journalist, the author does not specify whose "colleaque".

The article says clearly it's a cop.

I also disagree with the cop, even if you believe a flag is provocative it's your fault if you fall for the troll.

Evidence required.

"Kanker Joden" = Jewish cancer.

This is from yesterday, there are no Israeli hooligans (or otherwise, it seems) left.

[noemon]

He didn't if you watch the video.

Things were calm at the stadium, there are no incidents while he's in the subway, he first sees violence when he arrives to the downtown area.

And then he also films Dutch cops arresting the Israeli hooligans, which is something you've strangely ignored too.

Bender did not report that Israeli hooligans "defended themselves from others" as you claimed nor did the kid arrive late at the scene as you are trying to outright lie once again, he filmed Maccabi hooligans exiting the stadium, marching to their hotel, attacking bystanders and police cars on their way to their hotel, then reaching their hotel, leaving it again to march towards the city-centre and eventually attacking the Central Station in an organised manner from both sides to encircle whatever brown-face they could find around the Station after which they were encircled by the police, put in vans and transported elsewhere in the city, not even arrested.

The article says clearly it's a cop.

No it doesn't. It says "a colleaque", whose colleaque?

I also disagree with the cop, even if you believe a flag is provocative it's your fault if you fall for the troll.

I called out this troll of an author, you defended it.

https://twitter.com/LoneWolfRA/status/1856067780497551609?t=Wrd2fwNyZLBUCxZwrJLlXg&s=19
"Kanker Joden" = Jewish cancer.

This is from yesterday, there are no Israeli hooligans (or otherwise, it seems) left.

1) Who is the 'Jew being hunted' as you claimed?

2) More importantly, why are Maccabi hooligans still cheering "Kill all Arabs" after arriving at Israel? Was there anyone provoking them there?

[wat0n]

Bender did not report that Israeli hooligans "defended themselves from others" as you claimed nor did the kid arrive late at the scene as you are trying to outright lie once again, he filmed Maccabi hooligans exiting the stadium, marching to their hotel, attacking bystanders and police cars on their way to their hotel, then reaching their hotel, leaving it again to march towards the city-centre and eventually attacking the Central Station in an organised manner from both sides to encircle whatever brown-face they could find around the Station after which they were encircled by the police, put in vans and transported elsewhere in the city, not even arrested.

Again, Bender arrived once the violence had already started.

He did report that he believed they were arming to defend themselves from people bothering them, as shown in the screenshot.

The rest is just denial.

No it doesn't. It says "a colleaque", whose colleaque?

The cop's. Who else's?

I called out this troll of an author, you defended it.

I just quoted it, and it's a cops' testimony.

1) Who is the 'Jew being hunted' as you claimed?

Any Jews.

2) More importantly, why are Maccabi hooligans still cheering "Kill all Arabs" after arriving at Israel? Was there anyone provoking them there?

So people are hunting Jews in Amsterdam over this?

Weird, it seems you don't have an issue with reacting violently to provocations now.

[noemon]

Again, Bender arrived once the violence had already started.
He did report that he believed they were arming to defend themselves from people bothering them, as shown in the screenshot.
The rest is just denial.

It is very strong denial on your part indeed, he and his camera could not be any more clear:





Bender arrived at the Central Station when Maccabi hooligans were grabbing weapons from a construction site. They used these weapons to attack innocent bystanders and a police van. Later they were confronted by locals.

You call the reaction of the locals to Israeli violence an "antisemitic pogrom".

And it's not just Bender, there are several more Dutch eyewitnesses calling out the lies you and Israel are propagating regarding these events:

The cop's. Who else's?

As I already said twice, the author's of course.

I just quoted it, and it's a cops' testimony.

You disagree with things you quote and defend as you literally defended this troll of an author that you now allegedly disagree with...mmkay.

Any Jews.

So, no Jew was hunted but you still called it a "Jew-hunt", when confronted with Israelis doing the same, you did not call it an "Arab-hunt" or a "pogrom". It also refers to any Arab.

Why the double-standard?

Weird, it seems you don't have an issue with reacting violently to provocations now.

Not very weird that you are still trying to attack me personally(very typical) despite the fact that it was you who quoted a guy justifying Israeli violence as having been provoked by a Palestinian flag.

You @wat0n, impicitly argued this, not me.

Next time you try a personal attack, quote me first.

[Saeko]

[wat0n]

The 10 Maccabi hooligans were arrested in total, not the night before necessarily. The report doesn't say when or why they were arrested.

Owen Jones is such a fraud.

10 Israeli detainees

In total, the police arrested 62 people around the match. The letter from the triangle shows that 49 of them live in the Netherlands and 10 in Israel. Of these detainees, four are still in custody, aged 16, 17, 18 and 26. As far as is known, six more arrests follow in the days after the riots.

At least this makes it clear that then Dutch cops did not just let the Israelis scots free.

[noemon]

Israeli Hooligans today beating up French fans during their game.



Cities Assaulted by Israeli Football Hooligans this year:

March 2024 Athens

November 2024 Amsterdam

November 2024 Paris

Basketball fans do not cause episodes. Maybe because they are less ultras travelling in basket, I guess?

[wat0n]

It's interesting how the same footage is used to arrive to the conclusion that the Israelis were the ones attacked



Maybe we should wait for an investigation? This one should be easy since it happened inside the stadium.

[noemon]

No, it's not the same footage in any way shape or form. It's from a different location, angle, field of view, time. Your video shows nothing of import & has too narrow field of view(possibly edited, cropped).

Israelis beating French fans is crystal clear here:

[wat0n]

My point is, neither video shows what started the incident.

Not that it matters that much, all those involved should have been arrested (I guess they were?) and banned from attending matches for life.

[ingliz]

I don't understand why @wat0n whines when he sees innocent Israelis getting their arses kicked. I would have thought since he spends so much of his time (page after page) on this forum justifying collective punishment he would have applauded it.

[wat0n]

I've never applauded the deaths of any innocents @ingliz. If anything I feel sorry for the deaths of any innocents anywhere.

I leave that to you, who gloats over the deaths of innocent Israelis and Ukrainians.

[ingliz]

@wat0n

I am not the one who gloats over the deaths of innocents, unlike your IDF friends.

All I said was when even a worm turns what happened in Ukraine in '22 when Russia intervened after 8 years of Russian-speaking communities being shelled and raided by government-sponsored neo-Nazi paramilitaries, and in Israel in '23 when Hamas rose after years of innocent Palestinians being murdered by the IDF, was only to be expected.

[wat0n]

@ingliz nah, you've been gloating over attacks against innocents both in Ukraine and Israel, as you did in your very response.

IDF soldiers doing that should of course be punished. In fact, any IDF soldiers sharing anything on social media while in deployment without authorization should be punished.

[albionfagan]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -palestine

Decent article on it. It seems that the initial outrage was far too forgiving of Maccabi Haifa hooligan violence, I do think that the football hooligan element of should be remembered, football fans travelling abroad often have large violent element to it. However, that does not excuse any acts of acts against 'Jews' because they were 'Jews'. Feelings are very high but any attempt to demonise whole groups of people is where humanity begins to wither away.

[Red_Army]

@ingliz
IDF soldiers doing that should of course be punished. In fact, any IDF soldiers sharing anything on social media while in deployment without authorization should be punished.

I agree! If the IDF did this then every one of their soldiers would be in jail and we could be done!

I applaud your commitment bud. If this was twitter you'd be called a bot, but the fact that you're real, don't care about the thousands of dead children, and do care about a racist soccer mob with bruises is awesome. Everyone else (including Israel) have moved on, but you will never give up. I assume you are also saying Islamic Jihad blew up Al Shifa hospital (after Israel has destroyed every single hospital in Gaza). It's not enough to have the United States, Canada, the UK, Germany, etc arming a genocide - 15 people reading a forum also have to agree and cheer-lead the ethnic cleansing.

@noemon is right - equating a bunch of racist drunken football fans, the IDF, and the ethnic cleansing they commit to Jews in general is the worst antisemitism imaginable.