[Godstud]

@Pants-of-dog You really don't know fuck all about studies, do you? Studies have to be done in such a way that all variable are taken into account and have a foregone conclusion that they are working towards by manipulating or ignoring things.

[Pants-of-dog]

Transphobes often get upset and try to insult you when they cannot show how you are wrong.

[Godstud]

Me informing you of your ignorance is not an insult, but exposing a reality. Reality is something you aren't really happy with, and that's why you follow an ideology of delusion.

If being a transphobe means that I don't want children to be victimized by sexual predators and their cult members, then I am OK with being called that. Are you happy being part of a ideology of child predation and grooming?

[Skynet]

Regarding W.C.s is an issue... Do you want a guy with long hair and a cock to go to same WC like your girlfriend or daughter?

How is it in Jails... when you say you feel as a woman then you go to female section and make sex orgy...

[Pants-of-dog]

[ALightInTheDark]

Which of the following statements do you agree with?

Category I: Gender Affirming Care (Non-Medical)

1. Being respectful of others and using their preferred pronouns.

When talking to them, I'm quite ambivalent about these, because "gender identity" is a false hypothesis with no grounding in reality. However, our current social norms are to follow this fallacy, so to maintain social relationships, I'd have to go with respecting their pronouns.

Allowing people to dress and present as their preferred gender

People can do what they want with this; who cares

Governments can recognize name changes and gender changes on legal documentation

No way; this takes it too far

Sports leagues can choose to allow transgendered people to compete in the format of their choosing

No this isn't fair to women

Institutions can choose to allow transgendered people to use facilities of their preferred gender (bathrooms, locker rooms, etc)

People can use the bathroom that they can pass the visibility and observation test for

All of the above, for minors, with parental consent (for institutions and leagues, those that cater to minors)

All of the above, for minors, regardless of parental consent

I feel the same way about minors

Require institutions to use of a person's preferred pronouns (hate crime for deliberate misgendering)

Absolutely not; telling the truth isn't a hate crime

Require individuals to use of a person's preferred pronouns (hate crime for deliberate misgendering)

Absolutely not; telling the truth isn't a hate crime

Institutions cannot prevent people from dressing or presenting as their preferred gender (protection for sexual identity at work, school, etc)

I agree

Institutions cannot prevent people from using facilities of their preferred gender (bathrooms, locker rooms, etc)

If people can tell they aren't the right sex and they use the wrong bathroom, they should be fined

Sports leagues are required to allow transgender to compete in the format of their choosing

Same



No, unhealthy and inappropriate treatment for the condition

Adults can choose to use surgical procedures to alter physiology to match preferred gender

No, physically harmful, permanent, inappropriate treatment for their condition

Minors can do the above, with parental and medical consent.

Minors can do the above, without parental consent and with medical consent.

Minors can do the above, with parental consent and without medical consent.

Minors can do the above, without parental or medical consent.

No, minors can't do any of this either, even with consent.

Category III: Gender Theory

1. Gender dysmorphia is real. (There exist people and they can choose to identify as cis or trans)

No, gender theory is not real. What actually is occuring is a mental health and or brain disorder wherein these individuals aren't happy with their sex and want to be the opposite sex. These people do exist, but gender theory is an inaccurate explanation of these individuals

Gender is a social construct. (You can be assigned a different gender at birth than your physiology; your gender is changable)

Gender isn't real. However, some exterior sex signals/displays are social constructs, such as the color pink, having long hair and wearing dresses. Most other differences in behaviors between the sexes are biologically based and some are reinforced by society.

Sex is a social construct. (You can change your sex)

Seriously?... Absolutely not. What would make you think this?

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Personally, I would describe anyone who can't even agree with Category I: a through f as outright transphobic. I don't think a meaningful conversation on transgender issues can happen with people who can't accept even a to f, and they're not worth having with those people.

To answer the poll: I do not personally identify as transphobic.

I also am not transphobic. I care deeply about people and about these poor individuals who are having dysphoria about their sex. My understanding of psychology and the human brain, my experiences with individuals with dysphoric feelings about their sex and my reading of research papers on the topic, leads me to have the opinions shared above.

Tell me, how do you define transphobic?

A phobia is a fear. Are you saying people that are transphobic, have a fear or this population?

[Skynet]

The report found about 16% of Millennials and 7% of Baby Boomers identify as LGBTQ. But among Gen Z adults ages 18–25, 72% identified as straight, 15% as bisexual, 5% as gay or lesbian and 8% as “something else,” according to the report.

About 20% of Americans are Gen Z, according to PRRI.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/25/us/g ... 0to%20PRRI.

Gen. Z are nearly 30% LGBTQ+

[Potemkin]

Gen. Z are nearly 30% LGBTQ+

Strictly speaking, they are nearly 30% “not straight”, which is not quite the same thing. And it’s not just Gen Z either; I suspect that they just feel more able to admit to it. Think about your interactions with other human beings, @Skynet. Does it really shock you that nearly 30% of people are “not straight”….

“Out of the warped wood of human nature, nothing straight was ever made.” - Immanuel Kant.

Lol.

[Skynet]

Strictly speaking, they are nearly 30% “not straight”, which is not quite the same thing. And it’s not just Gen Z either; I suspect that they just feel more able to admit to it. Think about your interactions with other human beings, @Skynet. Does it really shock you that nearly 30% of people are “not straight”….

“Out of the warped wood of human nature, nothing straight was ever made.” - Immanuel Kant.

Lol.

It is unhealthy like consuming fentanyl, or doing meth every day:

The four lines of evidence were consistent with previous findings suggesting that homosexual activity may be associated with a lifespan shortened by 20 to 30 years.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9923159/

overdoing drugs life expectancy:

When looking at the daily use of the four substances, we found that if users take any of them even once per day, they could lose at least 10 years off of their life. Additionally, if users take any of these drugs 5 times per day, they could subtract between30-50 years off of their life, which is horrifying to think about.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/bl ... drug-abuse

[Skynet]

5 times daily cocaine is just possible when you smoke Crack (freebase variant of Cocaine), this means 30 years of 5 times daily crack in life expectancy loss...

[Fasces]

Tell me, how do you define transphobic?

Personally, I would describe anyone who can't even agree with Category I: a through f as outright transphobic.

[Godstud]

Agreeing with a through f is simply delusional. It's not transphobic to not allow people to change how they identify at will, or to not allow biological men to not compete with biological women.

[Rancid]

Regarding W.C.s is an issue... Do you want a guy with long hair and a cock to go to same WC like your girlfriend or daughter?

How is it in Jails... when you say you feel as a woman then you go to female section and make sex orgy...

I went to this tech conference a year or two back. They would occasionally label the women's restroom "All gender". Dudes never went in there (I didn't). All the men were would say things like "no way.. I'd feel weird in there. I'd feel like an asshole". When they labeled the men's restroom as "all gender", women didn't go in there either. Why the hell do they want to go in there? Like men's restrooms smell like shit 100% of the time because people like me.

I don't see myself as transphobic, but the forcing of this melding of genders is weird, and not going to work.

[AFAIK]

I'm a father with a daughter so I use whichever toilet I fancy. If society gave a shit they'd create gender neutral or family friendly facilities alongside the gender segregated ones. It's not like I'm the first man in the world to have a daughter (or mother/son).

[Hakeer]

Agreeing with a through f is simply delusional. It's not transphobic to not allow people to change how they identify at will, or to not allow biological men to not compete with biological women.

Sorry, it’s not “at will” for gays and transgenders. If you are cisgender, are you heterosexual “at will”? This is a big part of the problem.

Not all trans women are good athletes. Banning all of them from women’s sports is no more fair than banning none of them. It depends on a lot of factors, but largely whether they transitioned before puberty.

[Godstud]

Changing how you identify is an "at will" proposal. Gay people do not change their sexuality or who they are attracted to @Hakeer, but that's not the topic. I have always been 100% for gay marriage and freedom for adults to have sex with other consenting adults, regardless of gender.

The ability of a trans athlete is irrelevant as they have a distinct physical advantage, due to biology. This is objective FACT. The top high school boys athletics could beat most women's Olympic Gold Medal results and records. Women have their own athletic category because of this, and moving men in disguise into women's sports, is unethical, at the very least.

No human being should be transitioning until they are an adult and have the ability to make informed consent about life-altering operations and body modifications. We don't allow children to buy alcohol, get tattoos, or have guns for these very reasons. You propose drugging and mutilating children simply because they "feel" a certain way... a way that most certainly came by grooming and indoctrination.

Leave children alone to grow and mature normally. No prepubescent child has the ability to know their sexuality when they have no frame of reference. They have proven that when left alone to develop normally, 90% of children grow into normal heterosexual adults, and the few who do not, simply end up being homosexual, or bisexual.

Actual trans people only 1 in 30,000(gender dysphoria) and most of the people identifying as different things(cats, dogs, gender fluid, pansexual, etc.) are simply either mentally ill, or doing so for attention. As 60% of people who identified as Trans have mental illness(1 or more), it would be the right thing to do to tend to that, and likely see the accompanying gender confusion leave with the mental illness.

@AFAIK They have family toilets and handicapped toilets everywhere for your use. No one has ever made a fuss about a parent supervising their child using a bathroom, and they never have. A father taking his daughter into a Men's bathroom to use a toilet is not a threat to anyone( and vice versa).

[Hakeer]

Changing how you identify is an "at will" proposal. Gay people do not change their sexuality or who they are attracted to @Hakeer, but that's not the topic. I have always been 100% for gay marriage and freedom for adults to have sex with other consenting adults, regardless of gender.

The ability of a trans athlete is irrelevant as they have a distinct physical advantage, due to biology. This is objective FACT. The top high school boys athletics could beat most women's Olympic Gold Medal results and records. Women have their own athletic category because of this, and moving men in disguise into women's sports, is unethical, at the very least.

No human being should be transitioning until they are an adult and have the ability to make informed consent about life-altering operations and body modifications. We don't allow children to buy alcohol, get tattoos, or have guns for these very reasons. You propose drugging and mutilating children simply because they "feel" a certain way... a way that most certainly came by grooming and indoctrination.

Leave children alone to grow and mature normally. No prepubescent child has the ability to know their sexuality when they have no frame of reference. They have proven that when left alone to develop normally, 90% of children grow into normal heterosexual adults, and the few who do not, simply end up being homosexual, or bisexual.

Actual trans people only 1 in 30,000(gender dysphoria) and most of the people identifying as different things(cats, dogs, gender fluid, pansexual, etc.) are simply either mentally ill, or doing so for attention. As 60% of people who identified as Trans have mental illness(1 or more), it would be the right thing to do to tend to that, and likely see the accompanying gender confusion leave with the mental illness.

@AFAIK They have family toilets and handicapped toilets everywhere for your use. No one has ever made a fuss about a parent supervising their child using a bathroom, and they never have. A father taking his daughter into a Men's bathroom to use a toilet is not a threat to anyone( and vice versa).

It was the “not allow” change that was my objection. Gays and trans will “come out” on their own volition, not when you decide to “allow” it.

A trans female volleyball player of average ability has no “advantage” over a cisgender female of average ability. They are even, but you want to ban the trans girl from the team just because she is trans. If she transitioned before puberty and is on hormone therapy she is probably no stronger than the cis girl. There are scientific studies on this. There should be a standard, but most researchers believe the standard used for qualifying trans women for Olympic competition is not the best. I also think it should vary by sport. For some sports, skill and technique is much more important than pure strength. How many men can beat Simone Biles on balance beam?

[Pants-of-dog]

I'm a father with a daughter so I use whichever toilet I fancy. If society gave a shit they'd create gender neutral or family friendly facilities alongside the gender segregated ones. It's not like I'm the first man in the world to have a daughter (or mother/son).

This is becoming the trend here in Edmonton.

Most malls, the airport, new public buildings, all have a men’s bathroom, a woman’s bathroom, and a family bathroom that is also wheelchair accessible.

This design solves many problems without making the transphobes froth at the proverbial mouth.

[Rancid]

This is becoming the trend here in Edmonton.

Most malls, the airport, new public buildings, all have a men’s bathroom, a woman’s bathroom, and a family bathroom that is also wheelchair accessible.

This design solves many problems without making the transphobes froth at the proverbial mouth.

That family restroom is more and more common everywhere, I'm seeing as well.

[Godstud]

A trans female volleyball player of average ability has no “advantage” over a cisgender female of average ability. They are even, but you want to ban the trans girl from the team just because she is trans. If she transitioned before puberty and is on hormone therapy she is probably no stronger than the cis girl. There are scientific studies on this. There should be a standard, but most researchers believe the standard used for qualifying trans women for Olympic competition is not the best. I also think it should vary by sport. For some sports, skill and technique is much more important than pure strength. How many men can beat Simone Biles on balance beam?

A transwoman is not a female, but a male. An average male has an advantage over an average female in almost every physical way. That's objective fact. Cis gender is just a derogatory term for a woman(adult human female). It is gender identity cult rhetoric.

Your claim about volleyball is a lie. A woman was injured by a male trans athlete in that sport, recently.

Children should not be groomed into transitioning, and then permitted to be drugged and mutilated. To even support this is to be the same level as a pedophile.

Scientific studies show that there are still biological differences, even with transitioning young because of simple biology. Again, it is unethical and immoral to allow a child to mutilate themselves. That's why we don't allow children to get tattoos, drink, or smoke, let alone choose to make elective surgeries to sterilize themselves for some ideology of gender identity.

The exceptions where a woman might beat a man, are rare, and thus irrelevant. High school boys, if allowed to compete in the Olympics alongside women, would take almost all the medals and beat all the records. The science supports the fact that men are superior in physical prowess(biology). That is why men do not compete with women. That is why they decided to change sport to allow women to compete on an even playing field with others of their own gender/sex.

The staggering number of medals female athletes lost to trans opponents revealed in explosive UN report
Female athletes have lost nearly 900 medals to transgender rivals competing against them in women’s sporting categories, an eye-opening United Nations report has revealed.

The study — titled “Violence against women and girls in sports” — stated that more than 600 female athletes have been bested at various events by competitors who were born male.

“According to information received, by 30 March 2024, over 600 female athletes in more than 400 competitions have lost more than 890 medals in 29 different sports,” the report said.
https://nypost.com/2024/10/23/world-new ... ve-report/