[Hakeer]

Hakeer there have been a lot of very detailed analysis of Puerto Rican government corruption. The vast majority of it comes from the PNP (statehooder conservative party who has the sellout Gonzalez Colon as the rep in the US Congress--you know the woman you were so admiring about at the beginning. You do not even mention her anymore even though her name is on the proposal there your CPC is considering--she is the opposite in political thought to the other signers on the proposal of that piece. Velazquez and Ocasio Cortez are both pro Independence for Puerto Rico). You should ask yourself why both sides are on the same bill there? Hmm. And also to a lesser degree the PPD. Never the PIP and never the MVC or the other smaller parties on the island are accused of corruption. They are not there because they were going to win the votes. They were there to advocate for what they thought is the best way out for Puerto Rico. And to solve problems.

So? I happen to think that it is not an accident that the PNP has such really corrupt and incompetent leadership. For one, I think in order for you to be begging from a country that fails to give you parity and equal rights, and to suck up to them and tell them they are in the right when you know they are not really is a study in being without principles. There are statehooders who really believe that the USA is a nation of justice and freedom and so on. But they are confronted as Puerto Ricans everyday with the reality that they can't vote for president, or have voting members of congress or the senate. They know they get less benefits in almost all federal programs on the island. That Spanish is not the majority and dominant language of the USA and that as Puerto Ricans they have almost zero leverage in the Washington DC scene.

So what do they gain by being statehood thinkers? A solution to status. Carlos Romero Barceló stated in his pamphlet promoting statehood in PR in the 1980s entitled, Estadidad es para los Pobres, statehood is for the poor. You get more welfare, more government programs, more food stamps, more public housing, free health care. Security. Is that a conservative Republican type of message there? Yes or no? It is not a Republican message. Yet, the PNP is a conservative pro Reagan type of party.

Why would they lie about the Republican Right Wing message? Of pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and be accountable, work for a living, pay taxes, be responsible, fiscal responsibility, do not rely on government handouts, etc. Can you figure out why the PNP party would be against that Right Wing message? Less government not more in Puerto Rico?

Statehooders had scandal after scandal of corruption. Mismanaged funds. It was a very convenient way of the US politicians to clean their hands about taking action.

Also they can claim it is an internal dispute problem among Puerto Ricans who can't agree on the status question in a supermajority of voters and therefore they do not have to act to change the status according to their criteria. Oh, the Puerto Ricans can't agree among themselves so that is the reason we do not have binding referenda about it.

They project that the Puerto Ricans want to be part of the USA system as full members with power to vote, but they have a lot of confused Puerto Ricans who want to stay the way they are. And a small percentage of die hard pro independence people who are just idealistic fools.

In reality it is an orchestrated thing with serious intervention by US power groups with a vested interest in geopolitical positions, and making huge profits. PR is a captive market not allowed to freely trade with any other nation without tacit approval first from the USA. They can unload all kinds of goods and products into Puerto Rico and never be held responsible for much of it. Fix inflated prices and force the Puerto Rican government to pay the highest prices for delivery of goods in the world.

The statehooders rarely talk about or know their own history. Like Jenniffer who says totally wrong historical accounts. She is not a student of her own history and much less that of the US's history. It is all about we are Americans and we want to be a part of it all. But she is the one sent to represent Puerto Rico.

Claudia Sheinbaum is the president of Mexico. She is a PhD. And can speak English much better than Jenniffer does. Why would Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon be the candidate there with her atrocious English and her bad history? She is the shining star of the desires of the statehood movement? There are much better candidates.

The statehooders get frustrated. But, they are there, always talking. They are presented with evidence of what the US really believes and backs about their policies towards Puerto Rico. The insular cases tell you exactly what the plan is. It is not statehood. Why continue with the lie of statehood? Because they are looking for money from the people who do have power in Washington DC. And they hope to gain as the local rulers if things change in their favor someday.

It is political theater.

Again the statehood party from its Luis A. Ferré days to now? Has evolved. For the worse. It was founded around 1968. Almost twenty years from the original governorship party of the Muñoz legacy. PPD was about pan tierra y libertad. Bread, land and freedom.

The PNP is about Progress. As in $$$. Lol.

Statehooders are not going to chain themselves to congress, and get violent with American Republicans in order to force some action. No. They are people of total cowardice and lack of real commitment to their cause. It is obvious it is about their own pockets. So do I think they have the gumption to get a statehood agenda done? No.

The ones who are clean, and decent, and have excellent plans for growing the economy and ordering the Puerto Rican economy and its people are the PIP and MVC.

Will they get the chance though? No.

The US does not want to lose control of its trinket in the Caribbean islands. I would not put it past the US government to paint us as terrorists, communists, anti American, puppets of Russia or China or another version of Latin American corruption and or total lies and distortions, followed by FBI raids and people getting shot in the head and sent to prison for 100 years. Denying food, water and fuel and making sure Puerto Rico is starved out and lives in deep fear and despair while they wait for our capitulation.

Evil Empire for sure is the USA. Towards us.

Stateside? As manipulated that the US public voters are? To vote for Trumpism? They will believe all the lies. Would approve of mass killings of the most brilliant of all the Puerto Ricans. For sure.

Kill the ones with great educations, and great leadership skills with solutions.

But, if there is unity among all that pain and bloodshed among all the Puerto Ricans who want to rule their own land for once in 500 years or more? They will do it. They will get to the goal.

I am surprised how many of the Latin American nations are watching us carefully. Waiting for us to ask for assistance in building a new life. So many are waiting....for the right moment to come to our aid.

I found it out during my quest to see what the Puerto Rican certificate got me in terms of rights around the world. It surprised the hell out of me. It really did. They are waiting. For our run for freedom. To give us a hand.

In that I have faith. Not in the racist Christian Nationalist cult people in DC. They are not going to help us. They want to destroy if they can't control.

Those are the ones you need to deal with Hakeer.

All I know about Gonzalez is what you tell me. As head of the government, it is her responsibility to deal with the corruption. Maybe they can vote her party out of office next election.

The CPC bill is all about self-determination for Puerto Rico. It says the people on the island have a referendum on status and whatever they decide — statehood, independence, or something else — should be binding on the U.S. Congress. Puerto Rico gets whatever Puerto Ricans want.

We believe in liberal democracy for our country and for Puerto Rico. However, the CPC bill will be never even get to a vote in a Republican congress. As I have told you two or three times, it would mean Democrats would get two more Senate seats. That is an absolute red flag for Republicans, and since statehood won 57% in the 2024 referendum, it is not a risk Republicans would be willing to take.

[Tainari88]

All I know about Gonzalez is what you tell me. As head of the government, it is her responsibility to deal with the corruption. Maybe they can vote her party out of office next election.

The CPC bill is all about self-determination for Puerto Rico. It says the people on the island have a referendum on status and whatever they decide — statehood, independence, or something else — should be binding on the U.S. Congress. Puerto Rico gets whatever Puerto Ricans want.

We believe in liberal democracy for our country and for Puerto Rico. However, the CPC bill will be never even get to a vote in a Republican congress. As I have told you two or three times, it would mean Democrats would get two more Senate seats. That is an absolute red flag for Republicans, and since statehood won 57% in the 2024 referendum, it is not a risk Republicans would be willing to take.

There is always some road block and excuse of why it does not get done.

It does not matter if the Democrats are in the White House and the US Congress or the Senate. Puerto Rican binding stuff never gets done. You do not care. That is my conclusion. Just like the rest of them.

Gonzalez Colon is corrupt. So was Ricky. So was Fortuño borrowing enormous amounts knowing it was unpayable. She is beholden to that corrupt party. Why would you trust her to do the right thing? She will not. Instead she lies with fear. Like Trump. If you vote for independence, the Americans will take away your citizenship. You will be left without citizenship and stateless. Unable to travel like Juan Mari Bras.

You do not know much about Gonzalez Colon because you want to believe in a version of the USA that is not accurate. Examine the patterns and history of the USA government in Latin America. How they deal with governments in our part of the world who do not tow the US government line.

You want to believe your government responds to democracy. Even though the evidence that it does not is in your face right now. Oh, no one is above the law. That is why Jack Smith dropped the cases against Trump.

Oh, we do not resort to violence to get our way in our elections. Yeah, right.

We do not have assassinations motivated by political violence in our history. Lincoln. JFK. McKinley. Harrison. Attempted assassinations? Truman, Reagan, etc etc. No dude you have a lot of problems. It is not what you think it is.

You want to deny reality. Do not do that. It is a mistake politically to believe in fiction.

Prepare for reality and facts. Examine them carefully. And then make a plan on how to remove those people.

It is your country. If you want democracy do not believe in shit that is not true. You will plan on results based on fictional accounts and not reality. And reality is there. Whether you want to deny it or not.

Be truthful. Gonzalez you had no clue who the fuck she was and what she was about.

You did not know the history of the island of Puerto Rico.

You do not know a lot of what I have been writing about. Clueless about most of it.

Why?

Powerless people are not important in the minds of the ones who are in power. You would know that if you were a sincere socialist Hakeer. Really.

[Hakeer]

There is always some road block and excuse of why it does not get done.

It does not matter if the Democrats are in the White House and the US Congress or the Senate. Puerto Rican binding stuff never gets done. You do not care. That is my conclusion. Just like the rest of them.

Gonzalez Colon is corrupt. So was Ricky. So was Fortuño borrowing enormous amounts knowing it was unpayable. She is beholden to that corrupt party. Why would you trust her to do the right thing? She will not. Instead she lies with fear. Like Trump. If you vote for independence, the Americans will take away your citizenship. You will be left without citizenship and stateless. Unable to travel like Juan Mari Bras.

You do not know much about Gonzalez Colon because you want to believe in a version of the USA that is not accurate. Examine the patterns and history of the USA government in Latin America. How they deal with governments in our part of the world who do not tow the US government line.

You want to believe your government responds to democracy. Even though the evidence that it does not is in your face right now. Oh, no one is above the law. That is why Jack Smith dropped the cases against Trump.

Oh, we do not resort to violence to get our way in our elections. Yeah, right.

We do not have assassinations motivated by political violence in our history. Lincoln. JFK. McKinley. Harrison. Attempted assassinations? Truman, Reagan, etc etc. No dude you have a lot of problems. It is not what you think it is.

You want to deny reality. Do not do that. It is a mistake politically to believe in fiction.

Prepare for reality and facts. Examine them carefully. And then make a plan on how to remove those people.

It is your country. If you want democracy do not believe in shit that is not true. You will plan on results based on fictional accounts and not reality. And reality is there. Whether you want to deny it or not.

Be truthful. Gonzalez you had no clue who the fuck she was and what she was about.

You did not know the history of the island of Puerto Rico.

You do not know a lot of what I have been writing about. Clueless about most of it.

Why?

Powerless people are not important in the minds of the ones who are in power. You would know that if you were a sincere socialist Hakeer. Really.

I know the CPC. Raul Grijalva introduced that bill, because he is serious about wanting Puerto Rico to have self-determination, and so do the co-sponsors. Grijalva is no less socialist than you. I would be happy to have him as president.

The problem is that we can’t get it done in a Republican Congress. I am not sure you fully appreciate the importance of Senate composition to the statehood issue. If the bill could ever get a vote, it will be a nearly 100% party-line vote.

[Tainari88]

I know the CPC. Raul Grijalva introduced that bill, because he is serious about wanting Puerto Rico to have self-determination, and so do the co-sponsors. Grijalva is no less socialist than you. I would be happy to have him as president.

The problem is that we can’t get it done in a Republican Congress. I am not sure you fully appreciate the importance of Senate composition to the statehood issue. If the bill could ever get a vote, it will be a nearly 100% party-line vote.

He is serious. Raul Grijalva.

But it can't get done. because the Republicans.

The Republicans have the house, the senate and the White House and the SCOTUS. How are you going to stop that train and take back power without advocating for capitalism and corporation sellout people?

I sigh.

You did not admit to me that you did not know anything about x and y that I wrote about. Why? because it is true.

And you feel like you should know. Do you?

I make it a point to study the history of small nations all over the world. And how they cope with things. To find ways to improve the conditions of PR.

I also make it a point to study the history of many nations all over the world. If you do that? You find answers and patterns to many questions and things in this political arena we write about here on PoFo.

Part of the problem with American education is a lack of internationalism, multilingualism and experience in dealing with different mindsets that are not the ones taught in mass ways in the USA. It produces a lack of critical thinking and complacency.

Americans work long hours and often never have time for real connection and love of community acitivities. The small towns try to hang on to that community feeling. The big cities have lost most of it.

The USA has to change its ways and its values. It has to.

Otherwise this MAGA stuff will never be able to get the Americans to stop their lack of understanding of how to deal with the flaws of their system.

[Hakeer]

He is serious. Raul Grijalva.

But it can't get done. because the Republicans.

The Republicans have the house, the senate and the White House and the SCOTUS. How are you going to stop that train and take back power without advocating for capitalism and corporation sellout people?

I sigh.

You did not admit to me that you did not know anything about x and y that I wrote about. Why? because it is true.

And you feel like you should know. Do you?

I make it a point to study the history of small nations all over the world. And how they cope with things. To find ways to improve the conditions of PR.

I also make it a point to study the history of many nations all over the world. If you do that? You find answers and patterns to many questions and things in this political arena we write about here on PoFo.

Part of the problem with American education is a lack of internationalism, multilingualism and experience in dealing with different mindsets that are not the ones taught in mass ways in the USA. It produces a lack of critical thinking and complacency.

Americans work long hours and often never have time for real connection and love of community acitivities. The small towns try to hang on to that community feeling. The big cities have lost most of it.

The USA has to change its ways and its values. It has to.

Otherwise this MAGA stuff will never be able to get the Americans to stop their lack of understanding of how to deal with the flaws of their system.

I study subjects that interest me. For you, that includes the history of small nations. That’s great. For me, it’s other things. Peace.

[Tainari88]

I study subjects that interest me. For you, that includes the history of small nations. That’s great. For me, it’s other things. Peace.

Nothing gets done.

Do not complain to me when violence happens then. Not one peep out of you.

Because the excuses are tired by now. 126+ years and counting. Do not complain when violence happens.

You do not know why violence happens? Because you failed to study that buildup of problems that were ignored for a very long time.

By the US government. And also violence by a lot of other governments. They never happen in a historical vacuum Hakeer.

All of it is both preventable and understandable.

What happens is that it is not discussed and it is invisible.

And that is the story of power relationships between groups. The invisibility and ignoring. And it is the reason why the violence happens and people then say....I did not know it got that bad.

Case in point. MAGA.

Peace.

[Hakeer]

Nothing gets done.

Do not complain to me when violence happens then. Not one peep out of you.

Because the excuses are tired by now. 126+ years and counting. Do not complain when violence happens.

You do not know why violence happens? Because you failed to study that buildup of problems that were ignored for a very long time.

By the US government. And also violence by a lot of other governments. They never happen in a historical vacuum Hakeer.

All of it is both preventable and understandable.

What happens is that it is not discussed and it is invisible.

And that is the story of power relationships between groups. The invisibility and ignoring. And it is the reason why the violence happens and people then say....I did not know it got that bad.

Case in point. MAGA.

Peace.

Am I allowed to complain about violence when people go into our schools and slaughter children? We are a violent society. We have more guns than people. It is another issue where we are politically deadlocked. It’s a battle to get anything done about it.

[Tainari88]

Am I allowed to complain about violence when people go into our schools and slaughter children? We are a violent society. We have more guns than people. It is another issue where we are politically deadlocked. It’s a battle to get anything done about it.

Everything you complain about is in the history of the United States. If you fail to study history of the United States in depth? You are caught by surprise.

Violence is a human problem all over the world. Why does violence happen? For many reasons.

Not one peep out of you when violence happens about Puerto Rico. Not one tiny peep. You were not interested until the fucking violence happens.

Oh, we need to study history of the Middle East. We need to study the history of Iraq and Iran. Persian and Arabic and Farsi. Oh, we need to pay attention now. It does not work that way. Pay attention all the time and have cohesive policies preventing violence from the beginning and from the very start. Do the due diligence. I read Condolezza Rice's book about Russia. She did not predict what happened with any accuracy even though she studied it for a long time. Why? Her perpectives were based on lies. Total lies and false beliefs she had about what the USSR was about. That is not only really bad scholarship but just plain stupid. The entire policy for Iraq was a dismal failure. Then 9/11 happens. Now, the US government is woken up and pays attention. What stupid stuff that is. Dead people by the hundreds of thousands and sometimes millions based on LIES.

Not one peep.

You can't complain about shit if you are not going to do the work involved in changing it. You put in incompetents? You will get bad results. You kill illegally competent Puerto Ricans who know what they are doing but since it is not friendly for greedy and immoral business interests? Who cares right.

No, Hakeer. I hate that attitude. People that are innocent die with that crap mentality.

[Hakeer]

Everything you complain about is in the history of the United States. If you fail to study history of the United States in depth? You are caught by surprise.

Violence is a human problem all over the world. Why does violence happen? For many reasons.

Not one peep out of you when violence happens about Puerto Rico. Not one tiny peep. You were not interested until the fucking violence happens.

Oh, we need to study history of the Middle East. We need to study the history of Iraq and Iran. Persian and Arabic and Farsi. Oh, we need to pay attention now. It does not work that way. Pay attention all the time and have cohesive policies preventing violence from the beginning and from the very start. Do the due diligence. I read Condolezza Rice's book about Russia. She did not predict what happened with any accuracy even though she studied it for a long time. Why? Her perpectives were based on lies. Total lies and false beliefs she had about what the USSR was about. That is not only really bad scholarship but just plain stupid. The entire policy for Iraq was a dismal failure. Then 9/11 happens. Now, the US government is woken up and pays attention. What stupid stuff that is. Dead people by the hundreds of thousands and sometimes millions based on LIES.

Not one peep.

You can't complain about shit if you are not going to do the work involved in changing it. You put in incompetents? You will get bad results. You kill illegally competent Puerto Ricans who know what they are doing but since it is not friendly for greedy and immoral business interests? Who cares right.

No, Hakeer. I hate that attitude. People that are innocent die with that crap mentality.

Yes, Rice and all the neocons were into the same ideology. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. It’s been going on most of my life. Biden may be the first president since Carter who didn’t either start a war himself or continue one already in progress. I credit him for stopping the Afghanistan war — something Bush, Obama, Trump didn’t do. In some ways, they botched the exit, but at least the 20-year insanity ended. The U.S. policy toward Iran (tied to the Israel policy) is another neocon example. We were making progress on a nuclear arms agreement until Trump lied about it and ended it.

[Tainari88]

Yes, Rice and all the neocons were into the same ideology. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. It’s been going on most of my life. Biden may be the first president since Carter who didn’t either start a war himself or continue one already in progress. I credit him for stopping the Afghanistan war — something Bush, Obama, Trump didn’t do. In some ways, they botched the exit, but at least the 20-year insanity ended. The U.S. policy toward Iran (tied to the Israel policy) is another neocon example. We were making progress on a nuclear arms agreement until Trump lied about it and ended it.

i read about Raúl Grijalva. From Arizona.

I read his bio and most of his policies. I have read enormous amounts. So reading up on him was fast.

He has very common sense foreign policies.

All of it is going to be extremely difficult now for the next four years.

Every little bit counts.

But prepare for extremely hard problems.

Also Grijalva is not Puerto Rican. There is a lot of problems when you do not really understand that each Latino nation is different and extremely unique in the problems and their histories.

I lived in the Southwest for a long while. I know how the culture is there. Most of the Arizonans like Grijalva are not well educated on the Caribbean islands. Why should they?

I do not like generic terms for us. It does not work. You have to be people who deal with specific groups with unique histories.

I wish you the best of luck Hakeer.

I am very happy with progress in PR an din Mexico. The USA has serious challenges.

I have to help my son with an assignment from school. He has to research astronomy and great astronomers from his culture. Hmm. How about Neil Tyson Degrasse. His mother was Puerto Rican.

Also a lot of rocket scientists from NASA are from Puerto Rico.

Here are some famous scientists of Puerto Rican descent who have worked at NASA:

Olga D. González-Sanabria
Developed an interest in chemistry and math while growing up in Patillas, Puerto Rico. She became interested in chemical engineering after attending a career day in high school.
Miriam Rodón-Naveira
Developed, coordinated, and maintained research and educational activities for NASA DFRC. In 1995, she became the first woman minority Branch Chief within the National Exposure Research Laboratory.

Marla Pérez-Davis
Born and raised in Puerto Rico, she is currently the director at NASA's Glenn Research Center.

Marcos Gabriel Berríos
Selected by NASA to join the 2021 Astronaut Candidate Class and reported for duty in January 2022.
Other notable scientists of Puerto Rican descent include:

Ellen Ochoa
The first female Hispanic astronaut to go to space.

Serena M. Auñón-Chancellor
A member of NASA's Astronaut Class of 2009. She launched aboard Soyuz MS-09 in June 2018.

Helen Rodríguez Trías
A pediatrician and activist who was the first Latina president of The American Public Health Association.

Lissette Martinez. Lissette Martinez is an electrical engineer and rocket scientist. Martinez is the lead electrical engineer for the ...

Help him with the project I must. Kids.

[QatzelOk]

Well, Q, all beginnings have to start somewhere darling. All of them. All nations have to grapple with difficult things.

I think the best thing is to begin with independence and work from there. I do not have such a dismal view of the island as you do Q...

My "dismal view" is not of the island, Tain. It is of the banksters who control Western politics through a thousand years of usury.

If Puerto Rico becomes "independent" through Western banksters, it will be required to sign away its economic control to the same "club" of banksters, who will quickly destroy the finances of the island, like they have of virtually every other nation whose banks it controls.

Libya was independent. What happened? The banksters got their bankrupt Western nations to destroy it.

Without financial independence, your "nation" is just a ceremonial dance, a couple of souvenir shops, and the same family banking institutions waiting to pounce and steal everything through financial trickery.

National debt means... no nation.

[Tainari88]

My "dismal view" is not of the island, Tain. It is of the banksters who control Western politics through a thousand years of usury.

If Puerto Rico becomes "independent" through Western banksters, it will be required to sign away its economic control to the same "club" of banksters, who will quickly destroy the finances of the island, like they have of virtually every other nation whose banks it controls.

Libya was independent. What happened? The banksters got their bankrupt Western nations to destroy it.

Without financial independence, your "nation" is just a ceremonial dance, a couple of souvenir shops, and the same family banking institutions waiting to pounce and steal everything through financial trickery.

National debt means... no nation.

Yes Q. That is why there are so many socialists in the independence party. If enough nations become socialist and reject that neoliberal bankster model? You have a fighting chance at true independence.

Why do you think Cuba was blocked from every financial avenue there is? To suffocate it completely economically. They have to control it all or they will destroy what they can't control. I know that already Q. You think I did not?

I do not believe in hopelessness Q. I at one time in my life I was very near total despair and hopelessness. Everything I thought was the best choice was being destroyed. Everything Q.

Then something happened. And my entire reality changed. I learned a very very valuable lesson. You have to let go of control and allow yourself to change a lot. Inside FIRST. You have to let go of the idea of the enemy outside. Go for the enemy within. Conquer it. And once you do? The entire world follows it with you. All the barriers in your life come down.

Puerto Rico needs to face 500 years of colonialism and not being allowed to make her own choices. She needs to be independent. Yes, get rid of the banksters. But you have to realize the more sister and brother nations there are suffering through the same fate as Puerto Rico has had to go through? Understand what that is like. If we stick together and start creating resistance to that system that is horrible? It all will have an affect. It will.

And the change is going to happen. But that it will happen overnight? Probably not.

The US is on its way out of power, who knows how long that lasts? I do not know. But if many islands and other countries in Latin America decide to do a different model as one...all for one and one for all in mutual benefit for all? In a socialistic model of shared resources without usury abuses? You have enormous progress.

But Puerto Rico taking the step of starting to want independence again after almost 126 years? Is miraculous.

It means people respond to conditions lived. A very Marxist truth.

It also means their sense of place and being a family of people who have lived on that island for a long time and have lived their experiences in community? Is valuable. The crisis with the lack of power and blackouts that are constant, water shortages, unemployment, closed businesses? Has made the Puerto Ricans resilient. And it has also brought back a great sense of community which we always excelled at Q. If you have no power? No boob tube TV. No cell phones working. No electronics including computers. And a deep reliance on your neighbors and others. And getting food the old fashioned way again. Growing it.

My sister in law visited us. And basically she says people are preferring the communal kitchens to eat in, instead of the individual ones, they prefer conversing outside dining outside, talking to each other, and most Puerto Ricans do not really live their lives indoors glued to the TV or computer or cell phone screens. They are rediscovering what it feels like to rely on each other for real assistance.

It is old fashioned and communal.

And when we pull away finally? It is going to be a group effort. Deliberate. Because we can pack our bags and go and live in the USA. I chose not to have my later years lived in the USA. I prefer Mexico. An independent nation. With a socialist woman president. And the strides being done here amaze me every single day Q.

Puerto Ricans have special status in Mexico. Mexico is aware of our trapped situation. They are aware of many things the US government does not even admit exists.

You would be surprised how many nations in Latin America are very aware of what needs to change. But the key is they need to create an alternative to what is currently out there. And that requires cooperation among many nations. All of us. Not just one or two.

Independence happened for many other nations long ago. We, were way behind. We can change. And the others are waiting for a change too. I think it might happen with a surprise involved. Soon.

[QatzelOk]

Yes Q. That is why there are so many socialists in the independence party. ...

Many socialists can be bought off by Big Money. Look at the socialist parties of France, the UK, or Canada. They all became identity-politics-promoting bankster regimes. Many socialist governments have quickly bankrupted their nations.... to the benefit of banksters. It's almost like some of them are actually working for the banksters and using socialism as the quick way to hollow out state finances.

Cuba is the perfect example of a socialist government that DID NOT sell out to the banksters. Is that the model you propose for new nations? Sanctionned-to-poverty bankster rejection?

Isn't *another step* required before small nations can actually become sovereign? Like the total destruction of the international banking cartel?

Cartels have a way of secretly running any kind of governance. And if they get control of a country's "socialism," they will use it to bankrupt the country by introducing unfunded social programs.

Pierre Trudeau did this in the 1970s in Canada, and we've been on our way to bankster-control (via bankruptcy of the state) ever since...

[Tainari88]

Many socialists can be bought off by Big Money. Look at the socialist parties of France, the UK, or Canada. They all became identity-politics-promoting bankster regimes. Many socialist governments have quickly bankrupted their nations.... to the benefit of banksters. It's almost like some of them are actually working for the banksters and using socialism as the quick way to hollow out state finances.

Cuba is the perfect example of a socialist government that DID NOT sell out to the banksters. Is that the model you propose for new nations? Sanctionned-to-poverty bankster rejection?

Isn't *another step* required before small nations can actually become sovereign? Like the total destruction of the international banking cartel?

Cartels have a way of secretly running any kind of governance. And if they get control of a country's "socialism," they will use it to bankrupt the country by introducing unfunded social programs.

Pierre Trudeau did this in the 1970s in Canada, and we've been on our way to bankster-control (via bankruptcy of the state) ever since...

Q, there are other models that work very well.

I like the models I see in various nations that are about locally based food production, communally run utilities, and democratization of all industries and investment of all profits back into growing the worker owned and operated organizations.

You have credit unions of workers. And you start locking out the banksters. You have to see that growing. But it is going to be a fight that is long and hard. These banksters do have an expiration date Q.

Puerto Rico would love this model. It works!!

But it relies on cooperation between large groups of people. Period.

Many nations. You start small and grow out.

Mondragon industries. It keeps growing because it has survived even fascist regimes due to the Roman Catholics having a deep vein of communally run models. Richard Wolff talks about the model that works well.

Workers themselves take full responsibilities for decision making and investment decisions. You do not allow owners vs non owners and you destroy the profit only rule for capitalism. Destroy that model completely and replace it with sustainability for all. Environments, agriculture, banking, and every possible structure.

You cap what people can own. There should never be billionaires anyway Q. You should all have a good picture of what an individual can own. In some cultures all you own is your toothbrush and some personal hygiene items that others would be grossed out about owning. Hee hee.

But it means that people have to control greed, envy, jealousy, possessiveness, hoarding, and many other negatives. Again, control your internal self and its flaws? And you can detach from such behaviors. Same goes for vices, addictions of all kinds like smoking, drinking, gambling, etc.

The enemy comes from within. For all of us. Lead a life of responsibilities, sacrifice and love for family, community and others? Lead a life of good habits. Hygiene, dietary health, exercise, meditation and good habits. Those people tend to be the ones people gravitate towards and feel comfortable asking for assistance from and advice. Productive people with a lot of give others. To their children, their families, their coworkers and so on.

Banksters thrive because of various realities.

1)People think it is normal to be greedy and have exclusivity.

2) People have false thoughts about what and how and why money is generated and how it works. An abysmal lack of education and information about economics in general and how capitalism works in reality in particular.

3) How value systems shape society. That is way, way underrepresented in classrooms from K-12 and university studies.

4) Lack of historical context and real conditions of human practice. People need to see a working model of democratic practices in the workplace. And how to be a participatory member of your own conditions. People are used to taking orders from the bosses of society. Propaganda bullshit, TV commercial crap. Youtube, celebrities, etc.

5) Good habits have to be inculcated early. At home. You run your own home. The kid that you give birth to or adopt does not obey words. They obey actions. They see your values lived and what you say and do is very important. If you model hypocrisy, greed, lack of generosity, scrooge behavior, lying all the time, etc? What are they going to learn eh? It starts at home. You want a kid to learn to read? Read to your kid. Have books available either at home, at the library that is public or let them see you reading.

It is all about a link between your own ways of thinking and the level of consciousness and the outside world.

Each one of us by ourselves are nothing in the grand scheme of things. But each one of us has a great effect on the many that come across our path.

[QatzelOk]

Q, there are other models that work very well.

You mean, like the Libyan model?

The worse thing a small nation can have is a model that works. This means that the Banksters have to destroy it in order to eliminate "the danger of a successful alternative to banskster dictatorship."

I like the models I see in various nations that are about locally based food production, communally run utilities, and democratization of all industries and investment of all profits back into growing the worker owned and operated organizations.

You have credit unions of workers.

Germany started to enact independent banking, socialist principles, and they rejected the internatikonal banking cartel. That's why our countries destroyed Germany in the 40s. Once again, "a working alternative" will always be destroyed with passion by our banksters and their serfs (us).

These banksters do have an expiration date Q.

So does radiation. It's called a half-life and it can be hundreds of thousands of years.

By the way, I live in a housing cooperative, worked for many years for community organizations, and I am a firm believer in community organization and control. But the banksters have access to nukes, and all our politicians are owned by them, so I don't see how my own personal "likes" will sway politics in any way.

...Mondragon industries. It keeps growing because it has survived even fascist regimes due to the Roman Catholics having a deep vein of communally run models. Richard Wolff talks about the model that works well. ...

It's nice the Richard Wolff found a commune in rural Spain. But that he had to travel so far to find one is a sign that things are more likely to NOT go that way. The banksters have probably been "tipped off" by your video and will now work on destroying it.

This is how dictatorship works: it kills any alternative to itself in order to say TINA to the masses of people (who still haven't acknowledged their social condition despite a century of popular education).

[Potemkin]

You mean, like the Libyan model?

The worse thing a small nation can have is a model that works. This means that the Banksters have to destroy it in order to eliminate "the danger of a successful alternative to banskster dictatorship."


Germany started to enact independent banking, socialist principles, and they rejected the internatikonal banking cartel. That's why our countries destroyed Germany in the 40s. Once again, "a working alternative" will always be destroyed with passion by our banksters and their serfs (us).


So does radiation. It's called a half-life and it can be hundreds of thousands of years.

By the way, I live in a housing cooperative, worked for many years for community organizations, and I am a firm believer in community organization and control. But the banksters have access to nukes, and all our politicians are owned by them, so I don't see how my own personal "likes" will sway politics in any way.


It's nice the Richard Wolff found a commune in rural Spain. But that he had to travel so far to find one is a sign that things are more likely to NOT go that way. The banksters have probably been "tipped off" by your video and will now work on destroying it.

This is how dictatorship works: it kills any alternative to itself in order to say TINA to the masses of people (who still haven't acknowledged their social condition despite a century of popular education).

So what is your answer, @QatzelOk? Just to give up?

[Tainari88]

You mean, like the Libyan model?

The worse thing a small nation can have is a model that works. This means that the Banksters have to destroy it in order to eliminate "the danger of a successful alternative to banskster dictatorship."


Germany started to enact independent banking, socialist principles, and they rejected the internatikonal banking cartel. That's why our countries destroyed Germany in the 40s. Once again, "a working alternative" will always be destroyed with passion by our banksters and their serfs (us).


So does radiation. It's called a half-life and it can be hundreds of thousands of years.

By the way, I live in a housing cooperative, worked for many years for community organizations, and I am a firm believer in community organization and control. But the banksters have access to nukes, and all our politicians are owned by them, so I don't see how my own personal "likes" will sway politics in any way.


It's nice the Richard Wolff found a commune in rural Spain. But that he had to travel so far to find one is a sign that things are more likely to NOT go that way. The banksters have probably been "tipped off" by your video and will now work on destroying it.

This is how dictatorship works: it kills any alternative to itself in order to say TINA to the masses of people (who still haven't acknowledged their social condition despite a century of popular education).

Do you think Q that slavery went away just because you know the Quakers and the abolitionists started winning the model of slavery is a sin--so just let it go?

Of course they did not let it go. What happened? Economics changed and the capitalist model that was chosen as the standard to follow required wage labor. So the other model 'slavery' had to go extinct.

Capitalism is going to hang itself Q. It is not going to last out the requirements of a world in which resources are being tapped out and banksters are going to keep going for a thousand years. When the goods, services, resources and workers find it is not sustainable and it is either life or death and have to phase it out. Slavery died because the conditions changed. Capitalism is going to die off because the conditions change. It is severely unsustainable.

CEOs and Banksters are going to try every trick in the book Q. But it is not going to be sustainable. If enough people start to change the way they think behave and act? Internally first, and then outwardly towards each other you will have change.

Do you know how long Puerto Rico has had 5% or less independence votes? Almost 100 years with the exception of 1930s and 40s. Then now they are hitting almost one third of all voters are pro independence. We are moving fast. Two more election cycles and keep going strong. Why? The US is abandoning all interest in infrastructure, governance and allowing the crypto bros and banksters to take over the entire island and suck it dry of everything. The Puerto Ricans already went to the mainland. They do not want to live outside of their families, people, language and culture. They have to take a stand. And they are not snowed about how we have zero ability to be able to make a go of it.

Why? Experiences. And time. It is another generation of people who never saw prosperous times for Puerto Rico in their lifetime. The bullshit spouted rings hollow.

Sustainability is required to survive post hurricanes. It is forcing them to be independent in action whether they like it or not.

Conditions change. People change.

Here in the Yucatan the Mayan communities suffered horrors under the Spanish for centuries. You go to these little towns all of them here have Mayan communal endeavors. All shared. They work as one for sustainability. And they do for themselves. And expand constantly.

Eventually it will all become that which works.

Look at this woman out in the Baja desert in Mexico. She has worked that hard land for years and years. It is transformed Q. Nothing stays the same if the goal is about making something work. Homo Sapiens can be very destructive. But there is a flipside to it as well. Homo Sapiens can be the restorer, the helper, the healter and the unifier. Both. You must choose by working on your own flaws on which one of the two faces of humanity do you choose to be? Destroyer. Creator. Choose.

Land, air, and water and fire all exist in every part of the world.

All of nature is very much open to harmonious cultivation. To work in tandem with the rules of that region. It can be adapted. But it responds to a real relationship with it. Not to looking upon it as an enemy to desecrate and destroy and exploit.

You have to see nature as an extension of every human relationship that you appreciate and love.

The people who are into doing the opposite? Need to be confronted.

You can't give in to the banksters and the capitalist class thinking they will never change or understand. They will have to change. Because everything they do and say and think and act upon? Has consequences.

And one of them is getting killed, shot, pressured, hated, protested against, boycotted, isolated, and basically just have to be forced into compliance. Without a group of people supporting your greed and dumb values you have zero power.

You have to start somewhere.

You start where you can start.

Besides not only Spain is the one who has that community. Did you see the eight minute video that Wolff had? It is various nations Q.

No one wants to look at it closely because it is very threatening.

But the threat all starts there....too small to be too concerned. Then it grows more and more, and eventually when the conditions change? And capitalism is just seen as something unsustainable and not advantageous anymore? It is phased out.

That is what living within the criteria of human practice is all about.

Look, the evidence of what I am talking about here is reality for me in my own life. A few weeks ago I was thinking, I am worried about my son. If I die and my husband does too? Who will raise him? Who do I trust? Then I thought about a lot of problems about money flows who have dried up lately....job, income, this or that.

Then a friend shows up and the friendship is cultivated. She says, I will make sure your son is taken care of. Gets a great education whether you are alive or not. I will make sure he gets to where his best development lies. I give you all these things. I also will give you work. I will do this or that. You are not alone. All of us together.

It made me cry. She shares my values.

Who are these people? You attract them by having the same values in life Q.

It starts with how you GIVE to them when they need you. It is about values. That is it!

[Deutschmania]

Many socialists can be bought off by Big Money. Look at the socialist parties of France, the UK, or Canada. They all became identity-politics-promoting bankster regimes. Many socialist governments have quickly bankrupted their nations.... to the benefit of banksters. It's almost like some of them are actually working for the banksters and using socialism as the quick way to hollow out state finances.

Cuba is the perfect example of a socialist government that DID NOT sell out to the banksters. Is that the model you propose for new nations? Sanctionned-to-poverty bankster rejection?

Isn't *another step* required before small nations can actually become sovereign? Like the total destruction of the international banking cartel?

Cartels have a way of secretly running any kind of governance. And if they get control of a country's "socialism," they will use it to bankrupt the country by introducing unfunded social programs.

Pierre Trudeau did this in the 1970s in Canada, and we've been on our way to bankster-control (via bankruptcy of the state) ever since...

I would propose for example something along the line of Vietnam's Doi Moi reforms. Scientific socialism must adapt itself to the reality of the material conditions . And while ultimately we Marxists would like to see the success of free communism , this cannot be attainable within a bubble . First there must be a triumphant International socialist revolution .

[Tainari88]

I would propose for example something along the line of Vietnam's Doi Moi reforms. Scientific socialism must adapt itself to the reality of the material conditions . And while ultimately we Marxists would like to see the success of free communism , this cannot be attainable within a bubble . First there must be a triumphant International socialist revolution .

Vietnam is one of the nations my son had to do a long report about. I found out very interesting history of Vietnam when I helped him do that.

It is interesting because if many nations who have different systems discuss ideas on how to improve and work together on shared goals? You do get progress.

I like that video Deustchmania. Thanks for posting it.

Many people overlook other nations because they do not speak the native language of that nation and they do not read a lot of literature produced in that particular language. People underestimate how many books never make it into translated versions. Many never make it. Great books on history, and politics, religion and every possible subject never see the light of day in the five major world languages. Which are English, Spanish, Mandarin, French and Arabic. And not in order of amount of speakers.

There is a concerted effort nowadays of limiting access to information if you live under certain governments. Many people just bypass it all.

Mexicans for example honeymoon in Cuba, spend money in Cuba, do business in Cuba and do sports, and every kind of activity in Cuba. Are they put off by its Communist label? No. They have deep cultural ties to the island that predates all political affiliations. Mexicans are not worried about political labels only.

This morning my husband and I stopped at a Pozolería for breakfast. We got there at 8:00 AM on the dot. A Mexican guy and another guy were getting ready to open. My husband stopped the second guy and he answered back and my husband immediately knew he was Cuban by the accent on his Spanish. The Cuban said, he liked living in this part of Mexico and likes being able to help out his family.

Many Cubans live in my city. They go back and forth. You ask them why they do not go to the states? He said it very succinctly. The US is expensive and you have to learn English fast. I do not want to spend my time learning English. I was offered a job here in Mexico and I can make enough to make a big difference economically for my family back home. I also can travel cheaply back and forth to Havana and here. This place is very close to Havana.

Do they get caught up with political labels? No. What they want is to make a difference in terms of materialism.

Practical considerations. Often many capitalist label nations like Guatemala and Honduras also have people fleeing bad economic conditions. Do they blame capitalism for that problem with finances? No.

It is all basically propaganda Deustchmania. The Communism becomes this or that. I read a Leftist Mexican magazine from Mexico City. It had Vietnamese students in Mexico City at the UNAM discussing why Cuba does not implement some Vietnamese strategies to boost economics. The answer was the entrenched Cuban government people do not want to do that. They have more control over the traditional form of doing it. The Vietnamese stress a better economic situation trumps tradition and government control. You can retain government control without sacrificing the ability to have a much healthier economy in Cuba.

The dialogue between many nations who are not hostile and are in a position to help each other and develop policies together needs to happen without the US or PRC or any of the big dogs on the block interfering in their development.

Many platforms for healthy dialog between groups needs to develop and strategies for blocking the destruction of systems has to happen.

[Tainari88]

So what is your answer, @QatzelOk? Just to give up?

You never give up Potemkin.

Struggle is an integral part of being alive and it also is a guarantee of death. Both.

You enjoy the ride in this world while you are living it.

Sort of how I feel about you.

Never give up Potemkin.

And enjoy all that you remember and care about. Forge ahead always.

You know I think about all of the great things I have been able to do and experience in this life? And I am really happy and grateful. It was a journey worth doing eh?

I am so happy I met you!!

To think that meeting some person while writing and they impact your life? It is the power of the written word. It is a great human invention eh?

Mucho amor siempre.

Never give up. The solution is going to be coming quickly.

Flowers bloom in the most beautiful way in a desert, where you think it will never be a beautiful garden. That is life. Surprising and incredible.

Human societies and civvies are like that once in five years blooming.

Everything is struggle Potemkin. Nothing really is without struggle. But there is such enormous satisfaction from struggling and then you get this incredible gift. A result of a lot of struggle, work and dedication.

You are meant to enjoy it precisely because it was a struggle to obtain it.