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By Rancid
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The whole Assad thing probably isn't something to celebrate @litwin. Lots of people are going to get fucked. Then again, you're fucked either way.
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By litwin
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Rancid wrote:The whole Assad thing probably isn't something to celebrate @litwin. Lots of people are going to get fucked. Then again, you're fucked either way.



Moscow , Iranian, Alawit imperialists are FAR , FAR WORST . Do we agree on this ? and by the way, i do support 5 states (French) solution for " Syria"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... -un-report

"We could see the end of Assad's rule in Syria in the coming hours," a senior US official told Reuters.

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/18 ... 7371362414



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By litwin
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Rancid wrote:The whole Assad thing probably isn't something to celebrate @litwin. Lots of people are going to get fucked. Then again, you're fucked either way.

ps as i told you many , many times here...


"I congratulate all Moscow -speaking Muslims on this significant day"

The leader of the Chechen "Ajnad al-Kavkaz" Abdul-Malik celebrated the capture of the city of Hama
https://x.com/i/status/1864967421527736602



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By litwin
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annatar1914 wrote:@Rancid :

See? I fucking told you what we're dealing with here, i did.

And nobody would fucking listen.


:lol: Cope harder !! ivan :lol:

ANY comment on this development ?


Israel has informed Iran via a third country that it will "extremely toughly" stop any attempt to send weapons or troops to Syria, — Israeli channel i24News

https://x.com/TreasChest/status/1865172180830502981

ps a great , TOTALLY iligal in Moscow empire song 8)

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By litwin
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Rancid wrote:The whole Assad thing probably isn't something to celebrate @litwin. Lots of people are going to get fucked. Then again, you're fucked either way.

some facts :

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Rich wrote:Ukraine is a settler imperialist racist, authoritarian, ultra nationalist expansionist empire. Like the post February Revolution entities, like Lenin, Hitler, Khrushchev, Stephan Bandera and many modern Liberals they consider themselves the rightful heir to Ludendorff's conquests. The Bolsheviks were anti Russian nationalism, hence they let Brest Litovsk stand. The Liberals say international law must be respected. We saw with Obama and the creation of independent Kosovo and on so many other occasions, the Liberals have total contempt for international law unless it suits their purposes. When they say they support International Law they mean Brest Litovsk must stand. Many patriotic Russians say otherwise. Many patriotic Russians say Brest Litovsk won't stand.



Yes, Ukrainians wanted independence in 1918, but fast-forward to 1991 when again over 90% of Ukrainians in a free and fair election voted for independence. Their sovereignty and that of other former USSR republics was globally recognized by other countries, including Russia itself. The idea of national self-determination without foreign military intervention is consistent with the principles of liberal democracy and international law. I support that idea for every country in the world so long as they don’t militarily invade sovereign neighboring countries such as Putin is doing. One thing I hope my country learned from Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan is that we can’t impose our values on these countries at the point of a gun. But if that’s the justification for military imperialism, go to Africa and start with Sudan.
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Hakeer wrote:Yes, Ukrainians wanted independence in 1918,

Note the total dishonesty of the Liberal. Note how he picks the date of 1918, exposing his fundamentally fascistic nature. He doesn't pick 1917 when we can actually examine the votes of the peoples of the Tsarist Empire and the programmes of the parties. He picks 1918 when it came under German occupation. Notice how he says Ukrainians without ever defining what he means, allowing people to become Ukrainian when it suits his purposes, but be Russian when it doesn't. Note how the Liberal never refers to Brezhnev as a Ukrainian. We know Breznev's views, so he must be considered Russian. If he'd remained unknown then the Liberal would have counted him as a Ukrainian yearning for Ukrainian independence. One thing we can say for certain is that the overwhelming majority of Crimeans in 1917 and in 1918 had no desire to be part of a Ukrainian national state.

The Liberal has been lying so long and so hard that he no longer even knows what the truth is. 1968 the invasion of Czechoslovakia. General Secretary of the Communist Party, head of government Ukrainian. Chair of the Soviet Executive, head of State Ukrainian. Soviet defence Minister Ukrainian. Head of Warsaw pact forces, Belorussian. Largest nationality of the invading troops Ukrainian. But the Liberal constantly refers to it as a Russian invasion.
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Blinken told Ukraine that if it wants new weapons it needs to guarantee that Ukrainian soldiers are going to use them(instead of say sending them abroad) and to achieve that he conditioned that Ukraine drops the recruitment age from 25 down to 18.

Lots of people interpreted this as Blinken throwing more Ukrainian cannon fodder in the Russian fire, but after seeing Ukrainian equipment being used by Jihadists in Syria, Blinken in my view is probably merely trying to cover up the fact that European countries are sending their arms to Ukraine who is in turn sending them to the neo-Ottoman jihadists in Syria.

Trolls have managed to convince us to spite our faces by cutting off our noses.
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I really find the western support for Ukrainian conscription quite disgusting. Lets remember this war was sold to us on 2 premises.

1 The Ukrainians willingness to fight, suffer and even die in this conflict was hugely more than the Russians, more than enough to outweigh the Russian advantage in population size.

2 The western economies hugely outsized, hugely dwarfed the Russian economy.

Given these premises, given that vast numbers of Ukrainians were eager to fight, given that there were actually far more volunteers than Ukraine could actually equip and supply and given the huge financial resources of the West, why has Ukraine not been able to fight this war with volunteers? With volunteers either motivated by patriotic fury, or good wages by the standards of a poor bankrupt country like Ukraine?

The western response to the SMO has been an exercise in the most gross narcissism. Now we must be vary careful about the Churchillian myth. I can't find what the British casualty figures were for WW2 as opposed to Canadian, Australian, Indian etc volunteers. But Britain suffered hundreds of thousands of deaths amongst its armed forces. "Blood, Sweat and Tears" were real. It wasn't just an empty slogan. There was no real support amongst the overwhelming majority of the British population to make any significant sacrifices for the war in Ukraine. Yeah sure, people were happy to post on face book make tweets, share TIK Tok videos, but the British public were not even happy to pay higher energy bills. So weak was the support for Ukraine that the government did its best to hide the costs of the war through vast energy subsidies.

I found it amusing the way Liz Truss was portrayed as this ultra Thacherite, when in reality her economic policies were closer to Hugo Chavez.
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litwin wrote:Anti-Assad rebels reportedly captured another Syrian Air Force base in Suwayda, Moscow imperialistic war bloggers report.
https://x.com/i/status/1865365742486507608


Could you put this stuff in the relevent thread? Suwayda is neither in Russia or in Ukraine, I know you are probably paid by the post but maybe make the posts relevent to the thread they are in and I am sure your handler will still give you your cheque at the end of the week.
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Hakeer wrote:You know more about religion than I do. I know more about science and anthropology than you do. That was my profession for many years.

It is hard to be wrong about a subject upon which you have no firm prediction. I have said that the outcome of this war is yet to be determined. Even if it happens to go your way, that doesn’t prove the outcome was predetermined by God.


@Hakeer :

Understanding and knowedge are two different things, when the foundation upon which this knowledge is added is predicated on error.

But no matter. Even in the West the Liberal will be replaced, " useful idiots" always are. Interesting how you cannot comprehend that Assad is actually one of you....
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litwin wrote:you are lying again Ivan

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Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn wrote:(The fact that the ratio between those who consider themselves Russian and those who consider themselves Ukrainian varies from province to province of the Ukraine will cause many complications. A plebiscite in each province, and afterward a helpful and considerate attitude to those who wish to move, may be necessary. Not all of the Ukraine in its present official Soviet borders is really Ukrainian. Some of the left-bank provinces undoubtedly feel drawn to Russia. As for Crimea, Khrushchev’s decision to hand it over to Ukraine was totally arbitrary.

So yes you're right, Solzhenitsyn did think that the Soviet drawn borders of the USSR's constituent Republics were a lie.

The first revolts in the nineties were not the USSR's constituent Republics seeking independence, but areas of the Constituent Republics seeking to escape their constituent Republic. The population of Nagorno-Karabakh were far keener to leave Azerbaijan, than the people of Azerbaijan were to leave the USSR. The people of Crimea were far keener to leave Ukraine than Ukraine was for independence.

What a tragedy that Solzhenitsyn didn't a survive a few more years to see Crimea reunited with mother Russia.
By Rancid
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@JohnRawls , @Rich

Do you think Trump will keep his promise of ending the war before he takes office? He said he'll end the war when he's "president-elect" as in the period of time between getting elected and being sworn in?
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Rancid wrote:@JohnRawls , @Rich

Do you think Trump will keep his promise of ending the war before he takes office? He said he'll end the war when he's "president-elect" as in the period of time between getting elected and being sworn in?


No chance of that happening. How the hell is going to end the war before he is even president?
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By Hakeer
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annatar1914 wrote:@Hakeer :

Understanding and knowedge are two different things, when the foundation upon which this knowledge is added is predicated on error.

But no matter. Even in the West the Liberal will be replaced, " useful idiots" always are. Interesting how you cannot comprehend that Assad is actually one of you....


“Academics and analysts have characterized Assad's presidency as a highly personalist dictatorship,[b] which governs Syria as a totalitarian police state,[c] and has been characterised by numerous human rights violations and severe repression. While the Assad government describes itself as secular, various political scientists and observers note that his regime exploits sectarian tensions in the country. The first decade in power was marked by intense censorship, summary executions, forced disappearances, discrimination against ethnic minorities and extensive surveillance by the Ba'athist secret police.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashar_al-Assad

Assad is a fascist dictator. His government is as far from liberalism as I can possibly imagine. As I have told you before, the core of liberalism is constitutional democracy…
> A multi-party political system.
> Free and fair elections.
> Freedom of speech.
> Freedom of religion.
> Freedom of assembly.
> Freedom of the press.
> Rule of law (not rule by dictator)

These are all fundamental elements of liberalism that are entirely lacking in the Assad government.

Having said all that, do I want to go into their country with a military invasion like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan? NO! NO! NO! I have seen over and over how that has worked out. Assad is a problem for the people of Syria to resolve — whether by democratic means or armed revolution. The Jihadists may install a Taliban-style repressive government. They probably will. But I will say that the same for that government as I said about the U.S. most powerful military in the world fighting with the Taliban for 20 fucking years! It doesn’t work! That is not an “error.” It is a proven fact.
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