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Best Korea???

South Korea
40
77%
North Korea
8
15%
Other
4
8%
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Which regime do you find more appealing?

Economy

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Architecture and Inspirational Displays

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Music

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Religion

South Korea

No religion 46.5%
Buddhism 22.8%
Protestantism 18.3%
Catholicism 10.9%
Others 1.7%

North Korea

No religion 64.3%
Korean Shamanism 16%
Cheondoism 13.5%
Buddhism 4.5%
Christianity 1.7%

Army

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#14096025
South Korea, although North Korea provides a challenge in the field of aesthetics, and I have always been a fan of the Tower of the Juche Idea.
#14096029
I vote North Korea.

Not because I want to live there or think that it is the better state, but because I find it more "appealing." South Korea now is just a boring wealthy democracy. North Korea is... special. And that makes it very interesting.
#14096033
Well, Stalker, that is an interesting perspective. I have had somewhat of a personal animosity toward the North, because my brother did serve in Korea and given their political persuasion, it's natural that neither one of us would sympathize with them.

That said, up until a few years back there would probably have been nothing positive I would say about them. I do believe the little architecture they have managed to forge and raise in the midst of a terrible economic picture is inspiring, particularly for a people under what amounts to an international blockade. I also believe there are redeemable aspects to be found in the Juche and Songun doctrines, particularly after Kim il-Sung's death and the semi-official state abandonment of Marxism. Finally, their respect for some indigenous traditions is admirable, such as the statistics on Korean shamanism you quote. Sites sacred to the Korean pagans and from the early Buddhist period are well preserved and generally not disrespected or vandalized. Dangun Wanggeom, the legendary founder of the Korean peoples and the ancient Gojoseon is also revered in North Korean mythology and taken quite literally from my understanding, whereas the southerners have relegated him to a historical curiosity of dubious legitimacy or a "myth".

Their attempts at autarky given the hostile global environment are also worthy of consideration. They have some extensive trade with Vietnam, Syria, Iran, and a few other friendly states, from my knowledge.
#14096038
Ypur brothers service is quite admirable. For their aesthetics, the north has no ackowledgement of pragmatics. I'm proud to say killing those Removed was one of my parternal grandfathers two virtues, to my kowledge- fighting in korea and commiting suicide. Giving he was, apparently, a drunk that destroyed his own marriage before my dad ever had a chance to know him, both are quite respectable traits.

Edit: both are repulsive in their own means. NK is repulsive at a glance, and I doubt an unintentional starving stomache can appreciate the aesthetics, and SK has become repulsive to the very fibre of a man. Red lights aside.
#14096095
South Korea,

whilst there is much to be admired in the extreme modernist aesthetics of the North, it is still an authoritarian hell hole ruled over by royalty that seem to think themselves divine.
#14096104
A black Cuban diplomat was almost lynched when he tried to show his family the sights of Pyongyang.


This is over the top and hilarious.

North Korean women who return pregnant from China—the regime's main ally and protector—are forced to submit to abortions.


The regime has just bumped up a smidge in my view.

On the theory, I don't lend it any credence, as similar types from Hitchens' milieu have labeled Democratic Kampuchea a National Socialist project as well, which is of course absurd. I will agree that back in the 90's the DPRK abandoned all notions of Communism, which as I mentioned before was related to two factors; the collapse of the Soviet Union and the subsequent death of Kim il-Sung three years later. China has effectively done the same thing, but has maintained its Maoist imagery as a fig leaf and in stark contrast, moved closer to the Western model of oligarchic capitalism whereas the leadership in Pyongyang has done everything within its power to avoid a transition to such a state which it views as degenerate. However, with the Dear Leader and now the Dear General passed on to the nether region, I suspect Kim Jong-un will be even more free to dabble in the application of his own myths he wishes to steep the population in.

As I said, there are respectable elements, but it is clearly not a fascist state. The leadership is dynastic and virtually monarchial which is the antithesis of fascist governance, which is of course meritocratic. Those fascist statesmen who have become so famous and immortalized now had ample opportunity to go about forging a dynasty and new royal bloodline. Hitler particularly had the love of a beautiful dame and the pick of any woman in Germany, not least of all Magda who was always pining for him. He consistently rejected marriage and child rearing stating to his last mistress before assuming power that he had "too big of a mission to fulfill". Furthermore, of course, the economy is not corporatist.

Plenty have suggested that Pyongyang's autarkic policies lend legitimacy to the theory that it has embarked on a course of economic fascism, but this is blatantly untrue. Autarky is not specifically fascist, and when promoted by fascist regimes, is generally intended to be a temporary fix rather than a long-term economic state.
#14096188
South Korea, no doubt...

Far-Right Sage wrote:The leadership is dynastic and virtually monarchial which is the antithesis of fascist governance, which is of course meritocratic.


That is not a fair analysis. In practice, power has passed from father to son, but that is not an indication that the leadership is dynastic. The party could easily decide at any point that the next leader will not be part of the Kim family. So I wouldn't really say that the Kim family is more monarchic than the Assad family in Syria, the Castro family in Cuba or even the Bush family in the US. They are a prominent political family in the country, so it is natural they will tend to have multiple generations of leaders.

In a monarchy, the succession rules are designed so that these things can't be changed. A republic in which a son is chosen to succeed his fathers by means other than pure heredity can't really be considered a monarchy, in my opinion. Especially if that succession is that of two politicians, rather than aristocrats.

Also, keep in mind that Kim Jong-un is not the country's head of state, but the person who leads the government. He is a peer to David Cameron, not to Elizabeth II. The head of state of the country is the Chairman of the Presidium, which is an office that is currently occupied by Kim Yong-nam (who is unrelated to the supreme leader). He is teh guy who receives ambassador credentials and all.

The only monarchical family Korea has is the House of Yi, and this guy is its current head:
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HIH Won, Hereditary Prince Imperial of Korea
#14096242
As Rei said, easiest poll ever. South Korea.
#14096267
I see that there are few here who want to keep alive the flame of Juche. Puppet rats who deny that man is the master of everything and controls everything. Imperialist running dogs who decry the Songun policy of the great brilliant commander.
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Istanbuller wrote:Japans criticize South Koreans for being degenerate :roll:

There are plenty who do that from both sides of the sea. However, I personally don't like the petty squabbles that go on between South Korea and Japan. I genuinely like South Korea.

The serious enemy is and has been North Korea at all times, and I think that everyone is completely aware of that at all times. People just shouldn't lose sight of that.
#14096440
Other: A unified Korea.
But I will say we should stick with S. Korea's Gangnam style for the national anthem.
#14096514
South Korea, obviously.

BUT...

North Korea is more interesting because it's as if it's frozen in time and is living in the Stalin era communism. All the documentaries on North Korea are so interesting and it's just a crazy place with a lot of weirdness.
#14096516
I suspect all that the secrecy's because their regime's really based on perversion, and they make Bangkok look like Salt Lake City.
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