Talk about the quirks of parliamentary convention: when the motion to bring on the debate was put forward the vote was tied. But bizarrely, convention dictates that the speaker must vote with the opposition on votes related to bringing on debate.
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pugsville wrote: was it if they had nothing do the opposition could propose something?
foxdemon wrote:@pugsville I must agree with your view of Shorten. Why did Labor select a cardboard cut out to lead them? I can’t see the Libs losing unless the electorate is really hurting. Labor is too faceless and bland to hold people’s attention.
Of course the public should be judging their local rep on policy.
pugsville wrote:Coalition Government bleeding and infighting form another scandal. There not doing much of a job of governing themselves let alone the country,
The Deputy PM Barnaby Joyce (National party - different the Prime Mister Turnbull from the Liberal party it's a collation, the Liberals and Nats have been a long term coalition in oz politics for decades) was having affair with one of his advisors, who he got pregnant and let his wide for, during this period she was shuffled through various Government members staff, it's been a scandal.
The PM Turnbull has poured a bucket on his coalition partner and deputy Prime Minister Joyce about this yesterday, and Joyce fired back today.
As to Turnbull, dispite his best efforts to destroy Political conservatism, divide the coalition against itself and generally weaken the government of the day, one can not help but be amazed by Labor’s inability to gain voters support under these circumstances. Why is Labor so intrinsically undesirable?
foxdemon wrote:The Labor party looks characterless and shallow.
GandalfTheGrey wrote:I disagree. The labor party has released more policy announcements - many of them pretty bold - than any other opposition since fightback. Furthermore, they are positioning themselves with a clear socio-economic vision that for the first time in living memory starts to challenge the status quo of the neo-liberal economic order. I have no idea where you got the idea that the coalition is looking "dynamic", what you apparently see as a healthy "battle of ideas" is not much more than the two factions tearing each other apart for control of the caucus. Their policies are anything but dynamic - simply stale, rehashed conservative/neo-liberal economic austerity measures, sprinkled with the usual national security chest beating. They are on the wrong side of history. Neo-liberalism is on its death bed, and labor - thanks to a reinvigorated left/socialist push both within and without the party - will usher in the new seedlings of a new socio-economic approach: where hopefully attacks on public health, tax breaks for the mega rich, slashing welfare for the poor will be things of the past. Seeing labor's bold vision and policy initiative makes me feel excited for the future.
foxdemon wrote:Is this new found leftism really a sincere return to traditional Labor values?
pugsville wrote:Why is no one talking about the current Australian LNP government explosion?
There has been a failed challenged, 10 ministers have resigned and the main Challenger the solicitor general isn't that sure he's eligible to sit in Parliament.
We're trying desperately to be as crazy as US politics and we still don't get any cut through. What do you have to do?
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