Paddy14 wrote:So why does our Prime Minister feel that religion needs protection at law, and that he has to introduce legislation to enable religious schools to exclude gay kids and gay teachers? Like what has anyone's sexuality have to do with religious beliefs, and what right has anyone to impose those beliefs on the rest of society?
As a religious person, let me explain somethings you might not understand about orthodox and biblical Christianity. Orthodox and biblical Christianity confesses that homosexuality as a practice is an abominable sin and many believe it should be criminalized because of God's law on the matter as a state in Holy Writ. Most of these would argue that practicing homosexuality is a definite proof that one is not a Christian, as to live in open rebellion without any repentance would be evidence of an unregenerated soul.
Thus, at a religious school, teachers are expected to atleast follow the "basic" ways of Christian living; which include things like not being homosexual or trans, etc; however, this will often also include not being an adulterer etc. Many Christian denominations won't allow people who were previously divorced to teach in official capacity either based on certain texts as well, so its not just homosexuals, not by a long shot.
Thus, for the State to tell religious schools that THEY MUST hire homosexual teachers to teach at a confessedly Christian school is no different in the minds of these Christians than if the government told public schools that THEY MUST hire Christians who believe that public schooling is wrong. It not only does not make sense, but its clearly evidence of tyrannical government.
Your claim is that Christians are imposing their views on others, but I don't see how your example demonstrates that at all. I see Christians wanting to start schools for other Christians that follow Christian views and some Australians who don't think they should be left alone to practice their values, but instead must impose their views of sexuality on the Christians by MAKING them hire people that are not compatible with their beliefs or the mission of their school.
Paddy14 wrote:I don't want to offend any religious people here, but surely religious beliefs are a personal thing, and there is no evidence that even such a thing as God exists. If we believe in God, that's our right, but surely we don't have the right to impose that belief on the rest of society (who may not share our beliefs)? If I still believed in Father Christmas, should I have the right to kick any of my fellow students out of school cos they no longer shared my belief in that myth?
Yes, this is a very condescending notion, most Christians not only believe that God exists, but many believe that His existence is demonstrable. I am one such person.
The issue here is not that the state "allows people to believe in silly things," but that people believe certain things to be absolutely true contrary to one another and that if we were forced to impose these views on one another as the "only truth" it would lead to violence; hence, the liberal democracies of the world are supposed to take a "neutral stance," and allow people to practice their religion as they please without interference as a means of creating social peace and harmony.
If your SCHOOL is only for people who believe in father christmas and practice his commandments, then you should not BE REQUIRED to hire people contrary to your own charter. That would be retarded, but also a clear fact of governemnt overreach.
So, though I think government in general is the problem here, I do not and would not oppose what your PM is attempting to do, which is to protect religious communities who exclude homosexuals for religious reasons from being forced to do things contrary to their beliefs.