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Was Youtube Right to Ban Bismarck?

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#15093399
Where i'd be willing to stop racist speech is, for example, in a busy intersection on the sidewalk somebody kept loudly yelling out racist speech for a long tiem. I could see the police coming and saying it was disturbing the peace, public nuisance or something like that. Not much different than if somebody was yelling anything on a busy public sidewalk, especially inflammatory remarks like calling people ugly or fat, and causing an uproar. Similarly, it can be illegal to post a large pornographic sign on your property for everyone to see. Children don't want to see that, and shouldn't don't need to be exposed to the N-word either, so that kind of "adult" and "obscene" speech could be restricted.

In those situations you're forcing people to witness your speech, including children. It's a different thing if it's more private, like publishing a book or film or article or website. Where people can very easily ignore something like that I don't see how racist speech should be banned/censored by government. Not because I'm pro-racism, but because I'm anti the government controlling what to we can say and believe.
#15093413
Unthinking Majority wrote:Where i'd be willing to stop racist speech is, for example, in a busy intersection on the sidewalk somebody kept loudly yelling out racist speech for a long tiem. I could see the police coming and saying it was disturbing the peace, public nuisance or something like that. Not much different than if somebody was yelling anything on a busy public sidewalk, especially inflammatory remarks like calling people ugly or fat, and causing an uproar. Similarly, it can be illegal to post a large pornographic sign on your property for everyone to see. Children don't want to see that, and shouldn't don't need to be exposed to the N-word either, so that kind of "adult" and "obscene" speech could be restricted.
This speech is harmful and isn't good for anyone to be exposed to it in a public forum.

All speech is not equal, and a racist epithet is not the same as calling someone fat, or ugly. I know you want to equate them to be the same, but they simply aren't.

Stop defending racism.
#15093733
So I haven't read a single word of this thread beyond the OP, but some dude who made racist Disney song parodies got banned and people have a problem with this? Is that it? Are these the same people who said James Fields was an innocent victim defending himself with his car?
#15093736
Unthinking Majority wrote:Where i'd be willing to stop racist speech is, for example, in a busy intersection on the sidewalk somebody kept loudly yelling out racist speech for a long tiem. I could see the police coming and saying it was disturbing the peace, public nuisance or something like that. Not much different than if somebody was yelling anything on a busy public sidewalk, especially inflammatory remarks like calling people ugly or fat, and causing an uproar. Similarly, it can be illegal to post a large pornographic sign on your property for everyone to see. Children don't want to see that, and shouldn't don't need to be exposed to the N-word either, so that kind of "adult" and "obscene" speech could be restricted.


What a shitty take. Yea, racism is like yelling on a sidewalk or putting up large pornographic signs on your property. :roll:
#15093846
Me, an idiot: I'm going to piss off one of the biggest advertisers on this private platform by turning their songs into RaHoWa boogaloo anthems because I'm a special boy.

*gets banned*

Me, an even bigger idiot: How dare anyone stifle my precious boy's creativity!
#15093850
My precious boy got the autism through the fourth chan and now he can only communicate through videos of himself driving in his car wearing wraparound sports sunglasses while rapping racials slurs! Why does YouTube want to keep me from being able to communicate with my very precious and large son!?
#15094262
So is it racist to claim that someone's not a real Black person if they won't vote for you?
#15094264
So is it racist to claim that someone's not a real Black person if they won't vote for you?


No.

He didn't claim that. It is simple election year hyperbole.

You know what wasn't election year hyperbole?

“I have black guys counting my money. … I hate it," Trump told John R. O'Donnell, the former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, according O'Donnell's account in his 1991 book "Trumped!" "The only guys I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes all day."

Trump, went on to say, "'Laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that."


:hmm:
#15094575
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvy4Cwmie3o


It seems there is evidence of CCP censorship on youtube. Given there is an attempt to normalise the idea that critiquing China and its government is racist (eg: using the term ‘Chinese flu’ is claimed to be racist), we can expect the next move to be linking criticism of the Chinese government generally to racism. Big tech has shown a willingness to put profit ahead of principal.

This can only lead to suppression of legitimate political dissent. Censorship leads to authoritarianism. Period.
#15094579
foxdemon wrote:It seems there is evidence of CCP censorship on youtube. Given there is an attempt to normalise the idea that critiquing China and its government is racist (eg: using the term ‘Chinese flu’ is claimed to be racist), we can expect the next move to be linking criticism of the Chinese government generally to racism. Big tech has shown a willingness to put profit ahead of principal.
Well, since there is a lot of racism aimed at Chinese people these days, the claims are pretty valid. Big business has always put profit before people. Where have you been hiding?

With the spread of coronavirus came a surge in anti-Asian racism online, new research says
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/10/us/s ... index.html

Spit On, Yelled At, Attacked: Chinese-Americans Fear for Their Safety
As bigots blame them for the coronavirus and President Trump labels it the “Chinese virus,” many Chinese-Americans say they are terrified of what could come next.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/c ... tacks.html

foxdemon wrote:This can only lead to suppression of legitimate political dissent. Censorship leads to authoritarianism. Period.
Hyperbole.

Banning hate speech aimed at hurting people is not going to lead to authoritarianism.
#15094584
Godstud wrote:As bigots blame them for the coronavirus and President Trump labels it the “Chinese virus,”

It should be called the Xi virus, it is the regime that is to blame not all Chinese people. However it can not overlooked that the current bigoted imperialist, racist, expansionist National Socialist government of China does have a continuity with the past bigoted Han Confucian imperialist racist expansionist monarchist regimes of the past.

And the complicit of Roosevelt and Truman in Communist take over of China can not be forgotten either. What we are suffering now is a direct result of Roosevelt's unconditional surrender demand.
#15094585
:roll: The disease is to blame, not a person. :knife: Dumb statements.

If we're going to name the disease, maybe the Trump Virus would be better, as more people have died because of that cockwomble. I am sure Trump would like that, anyways, as he likes putting his name on shit.
#15094806
Here is Trump trying to stifle free speech. I doubt anyone will call that what it is, though. It's far worse than what Youtube's doing, too, as it's simply trying to stop any dissent.


Trump to sign executive order on social media after Twitter's fact check warning
US President Donald Trump will sign an executive order on social media companies, White House officials have said, after he threatened to shut down the platform he accused of stifling conservative voices.

The officials, who spoke to reporters travelling with Mr Trump to Washington from Florida aboard Air Force One on Wednesday, gave no further details.

Before leaving for Florida earlier in the day to observe a space launch that was postponed because of bad weather, Mr Trump again accused Twitter Inc and other social media of bias without offering evidence.

It was not immediately clear whether Mr Trump has the authority to shut down the companies.

Twitter declined comment on news of Mr Trump's plans. Facebook and Google did not immediately comment.

The American Civil Liberties Union said the First Amendment of the US Constitution limits any action Mr Trump could take to regulate social media platforms.

Separately, a three-judge panel of the US Court of Appeals in Washington on Wednesday upheld the dismissal of a suit brought by a conservative group and right-wing YouTube personality against Google, Facebook, Twitter and Apple alleging they conspired to suppress conservative political views.

https://www.9news.com.au/world/twitter- ... dfb795e5ef
#15094861
I had a YouTube video get deleted just for stating that communists flock to the Democratic party and disguise themselves as socialists.


So YouTube is hard on dumbassery? Who knew?
#15094898
More attempts by Trump to stifle free speech:

Trump campaign attempts to remove satirical cartoon from online retailer

The Pulitzer-winning cartoonist Nick Anderson has described Donald Trump as an “adolescent wannabe authoritarian”, after the US president’s re-election campaign failed to pull one of Anderson’s cartoons mocking Trump’s inaccurate suggestion that injecting disinfectant could protect against Covid-19.

Anderson put his cartoon The Trump Cult up for sale on the online retailer Redbubble this month. The illustration shows Trump with supporters in Maga hats, serving them a drink that has been labeled “Kool-Aid”, then “Chloroquine” and finally “Clorox”, a US bleach brand. The cartoon is a reference to the 1978 Jonestown massacre, where more than 900 people died after drinking cyanide-laced punch at the order of cult leader Jim Jones, and to Trump’s widely denounced idea of injecting bleach to protect against coronavirus. Trump has also been taking the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine as a protection against Covid-19, despite a study showing it has been linked to increased deaths in patients.

But Redbubble pulled Anderson’s illustration from sale following a trademark infringement claim made by Trump’s campaign organisation, Donald J Trump for President Inc. Writing on the Daily Kos, Anderson said that he believed the claim was made due to his depiction of Maga hats, and described the situation as “absurd”.



The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund (CBLDF) and other free speech organisations subsequently got involved, sending a group letter to Redbubble that accused Trump’s campaign of having “misused Redbubble’s reporting mechanism to suppress protected political expression in the form of parody, critique, and satire”, and arguing that the work and those who publish it are protected by the first amendment.

Redbubble reinstated Anderson’s cartoon this week, saying that it strives “to respect IP rights and freedom of speech, but we sometimes make mistakes, as we did here … We’re sorry for any inconvenience this has caused.”

In a statement, Anderson praised Redbubble for recognising the error, but said there were some “troubling issues” raised by the affair, including that the cartoon was removed less than 24 hours after he posted it, before he had received a single order.

“I doubt anyone had even seen it yet on the site,” he said. “This reveals that the Trump campaign has a system in place, trawling for material they find objectionable. If it happened to me so quickly, it likely has happened to others. How much other content has been removed this way on Redbubble and other sites?”

He added: “It must be pointed out: the president of the United States is a hypocrite who complains about the ‘violation’ of his free speech on Twitter, then tries to actively suppress the free speech of others. These are actions of an adolescent wannabe-authoritarian.”

Trump criticised Twitter this week for “completely stifling FREE SPEECH”, after the social media platform put a warning label on two of his tweets spreading lies about mail-in voting.

CBLDF executive director Charles Brownstein said the organisation was “sensitive to the issues companies like Redbubble face in balancing competing rights owner issues, and were alarmed to see the president’s re-election campaign exploiting those issues to suppress protected speech”.

“We’re pleased that Redbubble has done the right thing in this case,” he said. “We hope that they will continue to assert the First Amendment rights they and their sellers are guaranteed by rejecting any similar censorship attempts.”

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/ ... e-retailer
#15094946
No. Freedom of expression is the base of democracy.


So you believe that if I want to put a Biden sign on your front yard that this is just my freedom of expression and you do not get to decide who puts stuff on your property...
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