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By wat0n
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GandalfTheGrey wrote:I wouldn't. It would go something like this... "blah blah NATO zergs following their NATO overlord's bidding.... blah blah.... desparate last throw of the dice.... blah blah they only made ground because Russian's let them, cunningly luring them into a trap... Russian's will annhialate them as usual blah blah"

Igor was half interesting when he talks about Russian point of view, as I think he has some useful insights into that. But as soon as he starts ranting about the evil NATO empire and their Ukrainian 'zerglings' and how hopeless they are - it gets tedious real fast.

Also, keep in mind that Igor was apparently somewhere in former Yugoslavia when the 99 NATO bombing went down and allegedly his family were forced to flee.... so you can't expect him to have a rational take on such matters.


Would make for a good laugh
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By litwin
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Negotiator wrote:Sigh.

If you had paid attention you would know that, but obviously you dont.

Because thats exactly why Russia felt they needed to start this war in the first place.

Thats exactly why Ukraine is a vital security interest of Russia.

Russia has too few people and a too long border.

Thats why they cannot protect their whole border.

Thats the point of why they cant tolerate an Ukraine thats aggressive towards them. Thats why having a neutral Ukraine is vital for Russias security.

Thats also why they now massively militarize the border to Finnland, since Finnland is now no longer neutral, but an active aggressor.

Caprice ?

so you say that you can rape, kill, loot, steal our children, bomb our children hospitals, shoot wherever you wish, BUT WE CAN NOT FIGHT BACK ? :lol:
Ukrainian servicemen came across two "mUSCOIVTE " babushkas in the Kursk Zone, who asked for a lift, and one of them even spoke Ukrainian (READ Ukranien ).
https://x.com/i/status/1822906476030992473
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By litwin
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Ukrainian operation in Kursk region is "bold, brilliant and beautiful" - Republican Senator Graham


Germany Allows use not only tanks but all German Weapons transferred to Ukraine on Muscovite Territory
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Negotiator wrote:Sigh.

If you had paid attention you would know that, but obviously you dont.

Because thats exactly why Russia felt they needed to start this war in the first place.

Thats exactly why Ukraine is a vital security interest of Russia.

Russia has too few people and a too long border.

Thats why they cannot protect their whole border.

Thats the point of why they cant tolerate an Ukraine thats aggressive towards them. Thats why having a neutral Ukraine is vital for Russias security.

Thats also why they now massively militarize the border to Finnland, since Finnland is now no longer neutral, but an active aggressor.

Caprice ?


Having a a Ukraine next to you that is not controllable, and not a client of Russia is not ideal for Putin - but it should be manageable. Far far worse for Russian security and economic interests is to launch a reckless and completely unsustainable war that they should have known would mobilize western economic and military might against them.

And Finland? You're joking right? Blind Freddy could see that this was just one of the many inevitable consequences of Russia's reckless invasion of Ukraine. Finland's reaction was entirely rational and entirely predictable. You don't want Finland (and others) turning against you? Don't invade their fucking neighbours.
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JohnRawls wrote:Are you stupid? Ukraine doesn't give a rats ass about Russia and this war didn't start because of this. Nobody would have counter-attacked in to Russia if it didn't invade Ukraine in the first place.

Get the fuck out of Ukraine and then this will stop. And when I say get the fuck out of Ukraine then I obviously mean Donbas, Luhansk, Crimea and all that up to 1991 borders.


So all you have as "counterargument" is insults.



GandalfTheGrey wrote:[...]


Russia doesnt think they can ignore it, and it doesnt matter if YOU think otherwise.

Also you happily ignore that Russia is winning, and frankly very easily, and its not hard to see why they are winning either.

Whats worse, they are literally using the very same strategies that Russia has used against the west SINCE CENTURIES. And frankly in the past the conditions for Russia have often been worse, if not much worse, and still they won.
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By litwin
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Negotiator wrote:So all you have as "counterargument" is insults.





Russia doesnt think they can ignore it, and it doesnt matter if YOU think otherwise.

Also you happily ignore that Russia is winning, and frankly very easily, and its not hard to see why they are winning either.

Whats worse, they are literally using the very same strategies that Russia has used against the west SINCE CENTURIES. And frankly in the past the conditions for Russia have often been worse, if not much worse, and still they won.


Mikhail Kholodov from the 291st sodomized rifle regiment:

“One of our wounded comrade rolled away and crawled to the Akhmat Muslim soldiers (Kadyrovites) to ask for help. As a result, the drugged Muslim Kadyrovites twisted his arms, gagged him, put him on his knees and each of them raped him,” — prisoner f war Mikhail Kholodov from the 291st motorized rifle regiment of the russian Armed Forces, captured by Ukrainian soldiers, told why the russians no longer ask for help from the Muslim Kadyrovites.
https://x.com/i/status/1823403169092940258

:lol:

I dont think that you guys are gonna win this war , you have received too many holes already , so to speak :lol:
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Negotiator wrote:
Whats worse, they are literally using the very same strategies that Russia has used against the west SINCE CENTURIES. And frankly in the past the conditions for Russia have often been worse, if not much worse, and still they won.


With one key difference - Russia no longer has a natural population growth to sustain and replenish society and the economy after these sorts of wars. Russia may well "win" this war, but it will almost certainly cripple her economically, and ensure that this is the last time they engage in such a war. A bit like Sparta at the end of the Peloponnesian war.

"Russia’s natural population growth has be negative or flat since 2000, which means that overall deaths have outnumbered births. Only 1.27 million babies were born in Russia last year, the lowest number since 2000. The drop in the birth rate echoes the massive drop in the 1990s following the breakup of the Soviet Union. The cohort of young adults aged 25 to 30 is now about 5 million smaller than it was a decade ago. The number of births is expected to remain at the current low level at least until the end of this decade."
https://www.bofit.fi/en/monitoring/week ... et%20Union.
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Rancid wrote:Russia has a real problem on its hands. A problem of Putin's doing.

Russia has always had real problems on its hands. By trying to solve one of them, Putin has simply added another to the list.

But make no mistake: Russia has been in far, far worse places than this in the past. I wouldn’t write them off just yet.
By Rancid
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Potemkin wrote:Russia has always had real problems on its hands. By trying to solve one of them, Putin has simply added another to the list.

But make no mistake: Russia has been in far, far worse places than this in the past. I wouldn’t write them off just yet.


I'm not writing them off.

Nor do I want Russia to be in a worse place.
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By litwin
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Rancid wrote:@skinster , @Igor Antunov,

It looks like the collapsing Ukrainian army has collapsed right into Russia.

Maskal Railways Deputy Managing Director Sergey Kobzev in a meeting with his subordinates in which he threatens them with execution by firing squad if they fail him.
He says the Maskal rail network is on the precipice of total collapse - 4 days away. :lol:

https://x.com/i/status/1820669908512022620
By Rich
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Rancid wrote:It looks like the collapsing Ukrainian army has collapsed right into Russia.

This is certainly good news for Ukraine. I've been arguing for nearly 2 years that we should judge this on the acquisition of territory, that punditry from both sides is worthless. And over recent days Ukraine has taken significantly more territory than it has lost.

The problem for the Liberals is that this goes against the narrative of the last 21 months. That the key to breaking Russia is in the south and that Crimea is Russia's achilles heel. Ukraine is still losing territory in the south. There position in the south continues to deteriorate, albeit at a very, very slow pace. This attack is in the north.
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Rich wrote:This is certainly good news for Ukraine. I've been arguing for nearly 2 years that we should judge this on the acquisition of territory, that punditry from both sides is worthless. And over recent days Ukraine has taken significantly more territory than it has lost.

The problem for the Liberals is that this goes against the narrative of the last 21 months. That the key to breaking Russia is in the south and that Crimea is Russia's achilles heel. Ukraine is still losing territory in the south. There position in the south continues to deteriorate, albeit at a very, very slow pace. This attack is in the north.


Crimea would be a far far bigger blow, it's just not realistic right now.

Crimea is Putin's Achilles heel that is why so much forces is committed there. There is a full defensive line across all of Ukraine but not on Russian territory. But as they commit more forces to defend Russia they will create gaps in Ukraine as material dwindles. This is merely a prelude of what is to come as Russia is slowly loosing it's large stocks of Soviet shit. Russia couldn't hold the line because conscripts with rifles are not really a match for army armed with artillery and tanks and apcs so this begs the question what will they do when the Soviet stocks run out. They already have minor shortages in some categories and in categories where stock is okay the repair facilities are struggling. A year from now all categories will be at severe strain.
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Some very good news, it seems that Germany is providing a large package of different stuff.

Equipment:
- 2 IRIS-M and IRIS-T SLS air defense systems
- 10 Gepard anti-aircraft guns
- 12 PzH 2000 and 4 Zuzana 2 self-propelled howitzers
- An undisclosed number of RCH 155 self-propelled howitzers
- About 30 Leopard 1A5 tanks
- 400 MRAP (Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected) vehicles
- Logistic transport (trucks, tankers, all-terrain vehicles, pickups)

Other Items:
- Drones and anti-drone systems
- MK 556 assault rifles
- Medical supplies
- 1 field hospital


RCH 155 is juicy. That is a cheapened but more modern version of PZH2000 that is more mobile that should be theoretically as much protected as the PZH2000 with the same gun. But the most juiciest part is that it is the first artillery system that can fire while moving like a tank as an artillery piece so besides drones it is almost invulnreable to counter battery fire and is a counter battery hunter killer of artillery besides being an artillery piece itself. This is perhaps the most modern artillery piece in NATO arsenal. Cutting edge both in price, performance and capability.

The only interesting question about RCH 155 is if its protection is as good as PZH2000 that was basically immune to FPV drones that scratched it. If RCH 155 is the same then it is IDEAL artillery system of the future.

This is not a Porche of artillery systems, it is basically a Ferrari or Koenigsegg of artillery systems.
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Russian propaganda is having a meltdown

#15322374
Ukraine's counter attack is nice.

But hope that you don't get Putin to a point where he can use chemical or atomic bombs. Keep in mind that you are not dealing with a democratic leader. Putin is a dictator. He can do crazy things that result very badly for the earth.
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