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#15287140
Truth To Power wrote:It most certainly has not. Paying collectively for certain goods and services is not collective ownership of the means by which they are produced. K-12 education has largely been nationalized, but not health care.


If your only criticism is that I am not using “nationalization” the same pedantic way that you prefer, then I assume you have no other criticism.
#15287144
Truth To Power wrote:Justice in public revenue and land tenure institutions would abolish homelessness pretty much immediately, as well as radically relieving most other social and economic problems. People just hate justice.

Correction: most people hate justice if they have to pay for it or if it means losing an unfair privilege (which in their minds is the same thing).
#15287145
Pants-of-dog wrote:If your only criticism is that I am not using “nationalization” the same pedantic way that you prefer, then I assume you have no other criticism.

@Truth To Power is not just being pedantic, @Pants-of-dog. He has highlighted an important distinction. Marx, after all, called for the working class to seize control of the means of production. He did not call for existing governments to simply nationalise existing industries. If you cannot recognise that distinction as being a real and important one, then I don’t know what to say to you.
#15287148
Pants-of-dog wrote:If your only criticism is that I am not using “nationalization” the same pedantic way that you prefer,

I.e., correctly....
then I assume you have no other criticism.

"No criticism" other than that your claim was baldly false...?

Bizarre.
#15287150
Potemkin wrote:Correction: most people hate justice if they have to pay for it or if it means losing an unfair privilege (which in their minds is the same thing).

Yes: they hate justice when they (usually incorrectly) perceive themselves to be profiting from injustice.
#15287152
Truth To Power wrote:Yes: they hate justice when they (usually incorrectly) perceive themselves to be profiting from injustice.

Which is just another way of saying that most people are selfish bastards. Which is difficult to deny. :)
#15287162
Potemkin wrote:Which is just another way of saying that most people are selfish bastards. Which is difficult to deny. :)

People tend to become more selfish when they see that their own or others' greed is rewarded. Unfortunately, we live in a society where that is the norm.
#15287167
Potemkin wrote:@Truth To Power is not just being pedantic, @Pants-of-dog. He has highlighted an important distinction. Marx, after all, called for the working class to seize control of the means of production. He did not call for existing governments to simply nationalise existing industries. If you cannot recognise that distinction as being a real and important one, then I don’t know what to say to you.


Yea, he is correct in a historical manner.

I was discussing housing, and for the sake of how housing would be nationalized, it would be more comparable to how Canada has “nationalized” medicine. As the two of you have correctly pointed out. this is not nationalization in the Marxist sense since there is no public acquisition of the means of production.

Canada does not own all the insulin and ECG test suppliers. It just is the single payer. Housing would necessarily be the same (without the required radical change in economy that could only come from revolution) in that the state would become the single housing provider for people who do not own their own home.

So, while the distinction is valid and important, and I personally support both the classic Marxist sense and the admittedly incorrect way I am using it, “nationalizing” an existing industry is a more viable option now. Also, both systems would work for solving the problem of homelessness among the elderly (as well as everyone else).
#15288349
Godstud wrote:
Yes @late , in the USA, medical bankruptcies are 50% of all bankruptcies. There's too much money in the medical industry for the USA to change, at this point.



There's two sides to that. The first is our insane health care finances. The second is our income inequality, which you seemed to tacitly agree with.

If I look around, nearly everything is a result of the rich screwing the country sixty ways to sunday...

Everything from barbaric bankruptcy laws to the massive, and growing, homeless problem, is a result of their thievery.
#15296629
'Unconscionable': American baby boomers are now becoming homeless at a rate 'not seen since the Great Depression'

Thanks in part to a series of recessions, high housing costs and a shortage of affordable housing, older adults are now the fastest-growing segment of America’s homeless population, according to a report in the Wall Street Journal, based on data from the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

"The fact that we are seeing elderly homelessness is something that we have not seen since the Great Depression," University of Pennsylvania social policy professor Dennis Culhane told the Journal.

Dr. Margot Kushel, a professor of medicine and director of the Center for Vulnerable Populations and Benioff Homelessness and Housing Initiative the University of California San Francisco (UCSF), has observed an escalating rate of homelessness among older Americans.

In a 2020 journal article for the American Society on Aging, Kushel wrote that of all the homeless single adults in the early 1990s, 11% were aged 50 and older. By 2003, she says that percentage grew to 37%.
Now, the over-50 demographic represents half of the homeless single adults in the U.S. -- with no sign of their numbers slowing, leaving baby boomers (those aged 57 to 75) particularly vulnerable.
"Elderly homelessness has been rare within the contemporary homeless problem. We've always had very few people over 60 who've been homeless historically," Culhane from the University of Pennsylvania told PBS NewsHour.
But in recent years, Culhane says that has changed. Older Americans, he says, are "now arguably the fastest rising group."

After living through multiple recessions, leaving some of them with little savings, aging boomers are now also contending with insufficient affordable housing. And with everything from gas to groceries costing more these days, many aging Americans are struggling to make ends meet.

And if they need additional support at a certain point, finding a low assisted living center is becoming more challenging -- as the field contends with labor shortages, inflation and reduced funding that puts the already limited number of facilities at risk of closing.
Even rent is becoming increasingly out of reach in certain areas, like Massachusetts, New York and Florida.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Florida resident Judy Schroeder told the Journal the apartment building she was living in was sold to a new owner, raising her monthly rent by more than $500. Schroeder lost her part-time job, leaving her living off Social Security alone, and couch-surfing for months before she finally found a place in late August.
"I never thought, at 71 years old, that I would be in this position," she said.

Researchers at UCSF told the Journal that about half of the homeless older adults in places like Oakland, California and New York, became unhoused for the first time after their 50th birthday.
These individuals pointed to a major event, like the death of a spouse or a medical emergency, as the trigger.
"It's an entirely different population," said Kushel. “These are people who worked their whole lives. They had typical lives, often working physically demanding jobs, and never made enough to put money away."

There's also the matter of income, as the federal minimum wage of $7.25 has failed to keep up with inflation.

Some cities, like San Diego, have even piloted programs to provide rental subsidies for a limited time to older, low-income adults to help them find their feet. (Perhaps a good idea, but that is not really so much of a permanent solution)​

'Unconscionable': American baby boomers are now becoming homeless at a rate 'not seen since the Great Depression' -- here's what's fueling this terrible trend , by Serah Louis, Moneywise, September 22, 2023
#15307800
Dr. Margot Kushel, a professor of medicine and director of the Center for Vulnerable Populations and Benioff Homelessness and Housing Initiative the University of California San Francisco (UCSF), has observed an escalating rate of homelessness among older Americans.
In a 2020 journal article for the American Society on Aging, Kushel wrote that of all the homeless single adults in the early 1990s, 11% were aged 50 and older. By 2003, she says that percentage grew to 37%.
Now, the over-50 demographic represents half of the homeless single adults in the U.S. -- with no sign of their numbers slowing, leaving baby boomers (those aged 57 to 75) particularly vulnerable.
"Elderly homelessness has been rare within the contemporary homeless problem. We've always had very few people over 60 who’ve been homeless historically," Culhane from the University of Pennsylvania told PBS NewsHour.
But in recent years, Culhane says that has changed. Older Americans, he says, are "now arguably the fastest rising group."​

'Unconscionable': Baby boomers in America are becoming homeless at a rate 'not seen since the Great Depression' -- here's what's driving this terrible trend , by Serah Louis, Moneywise, March 14, 2023
#15320123
The time will come when I am no longer able to care for my wife with dementia. She has FTD. These memory care facilities in my community cost over $10,000 per month. This alone will drive many baby boomers into the Medicaid system.
#15320125
Godstud wrote:Tax more? Fuck that! People are already taxed to death in the West.

How do people have higher quality of life and more money than in the West, when they pay almost no taxes? The taxes only line the pockets of the rich, and politicians. More taxes is the worst solution.

More social care for the elderly? No. That's not a solution, either. That's like putting a band-aid on a bullet wound and not addressing what caused the wound in the first place. Things are only going to get worse unless we address social issues, and change how the culture is changing, for the worse.

People attack Conservative values, as if they are the problem, instead of seeing them as the solution that they actually are. We don't need to abandon progress, but some things have worked for a millennia for a reason.


BASED.

I think there's something to be said about social problems for the elderly to provide enough for the basic necessities of life, like shelter, and cost of living has risen greatly since COVID plus separate housing expense issues, but what you say about the circle of life in the family unit is also true. We have a generation where many aren't having any kids and won't have any children to care for them when they're older. Personal support workers don't care about you like your family does. The modern West is the only society in human history I know of to put their parents in retirement homes and longterm care facilities.
#15320126
Hakeer wrote:The time will come when I am no longer able to care for my wife with dementia. She has FTD. These memory care facilities in my community cost over $10,000 per month. This alone will drive many baby boomers into the Medicaid system.


There's going to be a longterm care crisis for boomers when they start getting to the age of dementia etc. Not enough rooms at the inn, and certainly not enough paid for by government as is the case for many facilities in Canada and elsewhere outside the US. This is scary.
#15320199
Unthinking Majority wrote:There's going to be a longterm care crisis for boomers when they start getting to the age of dementia etc. Not enough rooms at the inn, and certainly not enough paid for by government as is the case for many facilities in Canada and elsewhere outside the US. This is scary.

Just to let everyone know the care homes for the indigent old in the U.S. who can't take care of themselves and do not have money to pay for it are usually pretty awful.

I have not the slightest doubt the situation is going to start getting worse in the U.K. too, in coming years.

In the U.S., they make you run out of money and deplete all your savings before government will begin paying for it. Which can be pretty awful, since if you've ran out of money and find these homes unbearable, you probably are left with no other options at that point, and will just have to bear it until your death. (Which in those care homes may not be too long)

The care workers are overworked and it's not uncommon for them to take out their frustrations on vulnerable old people. Even if one of the workers is terminated by their employer for abuse, chances are they will still be quickly hired somewhere else, since there is a shortage of workers wanting to enter into this field. (Most people don't want to take care of old people who can't take care of themselves. Imagine changing diapers, inserting urine catheters, and the pay is not very good. The majority of care homes are understaffed, which means more stress on the workers who are there. Let's also remember the typical worker in these homes is black or immigrant, and the typical elderly resident is white. This only adds to the apathy and resentment about having to take care of unpleasant geriatric patients, many of whom are beginning to lose their mental faculties and can be very difficult, if you think about the specific type of elderly population that has been put into a care home) Though neglect is far more common than abuse.


related threads:
Society facing a care crisis (in Health & Education, 17 Jun 2024)
the problem with bringing in foreign workers to take care of the old (in Europe, 11 Nov 2019 )
U.K. old living in poverty, suffering from price increases and inflation (in Europe, 17 Feb 2024)
#15320379
Hakeer wrote:The solution is all us baby boomers to die.
Only you, buddy. You're part of the problem, obviously.
#15320385
Hakeer wrote:The solution is all us baby boomers to die. It is sad, but true.

Death solves all problems, @Hakeer. :)
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