[Rugoz]

Vance was a bad pick even before Biden dropped out. Vance is just more MAGA.

Vance is too intellectual to be authentically MAGA.

Should have picked this guy:

[Istanbuller]

Another crash of Madam President?

[Hakeer]

I’ve been thinking about this. Hillary was over-confident. All the pollsters had her leading. If Harris edges ahead of Trump in the swing state polls, her campaign might make same mistake. This is going to be a dog fight down to the last day.

[annatar1914]

Just watched Netanyahu make his speech in Israeli occupied territory. Just watched him annoint Trump as the next President.

Anyone else see that, or is everyone blind these days?

Edit: it is why you all can't see as a result is that Vance is a brilliant pick for VP. He's establishment, not populist, but appears so. He is also pro Israel completely. He'd never get elected President at this time, but since Trump will get in the White House as President eventually so will Vance.

Israel needs years of pro Israel continuity in the USA for the coming war in the Middle East, already in it's preparatory phase

[Hakeer]

Now the rumor is that Mark Kelly has inside track to VP. I want Shapiro.

Who do you guys think gives Harris the best shot?

[annatar1914]

Now the rumor is that Mark Kelly has inside track to VP. I want Shapiro.

Who do you guys think gives Harris the best shot?

@Hakeer :

Harris is tapped to lose. If she picks Shapiro she might have a chance at being selected, because of this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics ... ro-israel/

Not in spite of that. So she won't pick Shapiro, you see?

[Hakeer]

@Hakeer :

Harris is tapped to lose. If she picks Shapiro she might have a chance at being selected, because of this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics ... ro-israel/

Not in spite of that. So she won't pick Shapiro, you see?

Yeah, I don’t see the case for Kelly. She can win without AZ but not without PA. She is 7 points behind in AZ but only 1-2 in PA — a must win state that is within reach. Finally, Shapiro touches the other bases about as well as Kelly. This will be the first test of whether her campaign knows what the hell they are doing.

As for Israel, her husband is a Jew and Biden admin. has given over $14 billion in aid to Israel. I don’t see that changing with her. The only difference would be the line of rhetoric coming out of the White House from her vs. Trump.

[annatar1914]

Yeah, I don’t see the case for Kelly. She can win without AZ but not without PA. She is 7 points behind in AZ but only 1-2 in PA — a must win state that is within reach. Finally, Shapiro touches the other bases about as well as Kelly. This will be the first test of whether her campaign knows what the hell they are doing.

As for Israel, her husband is a Jew and Biden admin. has given over $14 billion in aid to Israel. I don’t see that changing with her. The only difference would be the line of rhetoric coming out of the White House from her vs. Trump.

@Hakeer :

Respectfully, no, Trump is going to be there in a way that Harris cannot for Israel. The Democratic Party is full of voters who are either not particularly interested in Israel, or are absolutely antithetical to Israel's existence.

The Republican Party has only full Israel supporters or downright Zionists in it's voting ranks. A long protracted conflict with the Islamic world that is building up requires total support for Israel.

If Harris were intended to have a real chance at winning, Biden would have resigned the Presidency to her, and not just have terminated his reelection campaign.

[Hakeer]

@Hakeer :

Respectfully, no, Trump is going to be there in a way that Harris cannot for Israel. The Democratic Party is full of voters who are either not particularly interested in Israel, or are absolutely antithetical to Israel's existence.

The Republican Party has only full Israel supporters or downright Zionists in it's voting ranks. A long protracted conflict with the Islamic world that is building up requires total support for Israel.

If Harris were intended to have a real chance at winning, Biden would have resigned the Presidency to her, and not just have terminated his reelection campaign.

She will gain many more voters in PA with Shapiro than she will lose. Shapiro absolutely destroyed his MAGA opponent in 2022 who had the Trump endorsement.

I am one of the Democratic voters you are talking about who is not happy with the Obama/Biden dealings with Israel. I am out there somewhere in the Bernie Sanders wing of the party, but no way in hell that would stop me from voting for Harris in this election. We are ALL in the “I would vote for a bag of dog shit over Trump” camp. Believe me.

[annatar1914]

She will gain many more voters in PA with Shapiro than she will lose. Shapiro absolutely destroyed his MAGA opponent in 2022 who had the Trump endorsement.

I am one of the Democratic voters you are talking about who is not happy with the Obama/Biden dealings with Israel. I am out there somewhere in the Bernie Sanders wing of the party, but no way in hell that would stop me from voting for Harris in this election. We are ALL in the “I would vote for a bag of dog shit over Trump” camp. Believe me.

@Hakeer :

I believe you that you have those convictions, and I believe that there are like minded people in your party, but I believe that this is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the perceived strategic importance of Israel to Western Civilization's survival by the elites.

[Hakeer]

@Hakeer :

I believe you that you have those convictions, and I believe that there are like minded people in your party, but I believe that this is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the perceived strategic importance of Israel to Western Civilization's survival by the elites.

The perceived importance of Israel has been a constant in every administration, regardless Democrat or Republican. Democrats push a little more for the “2-state solution”, but no matter which party is in power, the money keeps flowing to Israel. Biden is the perfect example. He whines about their war crimes against 40,000 people in Gaza while supplying Israeli military with weapons. Any Democratic voter who has been paying attention for the last 60 years knows all this. Biden/Harris gave more military aid to Israel than any administration in American history.

[annatar1914]

The perceived importance of Israel has been a constant in every administration, regardless Democrat or Republican. Democrats push a little more for the “2-state solution”, but no matter which party is in power, the money keeps flowing to Israel. Biden is the perfect example. He whines about their war crimes against 40,000 people in Gaza while supplying Israeli military with weapons. Any Democratic voter who has been paying attention for the last 60 years knows all this. Biden/Harris gave more military aid to Israel than any administration in American history.

@Hakeer :

What's different are the inroads that leftist and Islamic organizations have made into the consciousness of the average Democratic voter these days.

Israel isn't going to take any chances that a Harris or Biden administration is going to get all squishy and squeamish on them

Trump/Vance will take it balls deep for Israel, so there will be no Democratic winners in the general US election.

[Hakeer]

@Hakeer :

What's different are the inroads that leftist and Islamic organizations have made into the consciousness of the average Democratic voter these days.

Israel isn't going to take any chances that a Harris or Biden administration is going to get all squishy and squeamish on them

Trump/Vance will take it balls deep for Israel, so there will be no Democratic winners in the general US election.

Israel doesn’t get to vote in this election.

Not “these days.” Democrats have been somewhat sympathetic to Palestinians forever — just not enough to make a difference.

I suppose if Netanyahu killed 1,000,000 Palestinians, Harris would feel the pressure and maybe cut aid and do something in the UN. Trump wouldn’t do anything, and Islamophobs would celebrate. If that’s all you are saying, I agree.

[Bill_Nye]

Now the rumor is that Mark Kelly has inside track to VP. I want Shapiro.

Who do you guys think gives Harris the best shot?

I agree with you. I think Shapiro is the wise choice.

[annatar1914]

Israel doesn’t get to vote in this election.

Not “these days.” Democrats have been somewhat sympathetic to Palestinians forever — just not enough to make a difference.

I suppose if Netanyahu killed 1,000,000 Palestinians, Harris would feel the pressure and maybe cut aid and do something in the UN. Trump wouldn’t do anything, and Islamophobs would celebrate. If that’s all you are saying, I agree.

@Hakeer :

No that's not all I'm saying, though. Harris has zero chance, not only with the Israeli factor, but also as I've said Biden's people won't let her be President now, much less later. Even Obama is dragging his feet to endorse her.

Get used to it that whatever else happens, and a lot will happen to be sure, Trump will return to the White House.

[Rancid]

I’ve been thinking about this. Hillary was over-confident. All the pollsters had her leading. If Harris edges ahead of Trump in the swing state polls, her campaign might make same mistake. This is going to be a dog fight down to the last day.

It will take more than a day because Trump will challenge everything in court in complete bad faith, as usual, because he's a piece of shit.

[JohnRawls]

The best choice is for Harris to pick Mitt Romney to fracture the Republicans/Maga. Maybe be even Chayniez daughter.

[Hakeer]

It will take more than a day because Trump will challenge everything in court in complete bad faith, as usual, because he's a piece of shit.

Nah. I respect them for their integrity, but philosophically, they are old school Republicans who would never be offered, nor accept, this.

They are praying for Trump to lose, Cornyn or Thune take over as Republican Senate leader, and neocons reclaim the party.

[Fasces]

The best choice is for Harris to pick Mitt Romney to fracture the Republicans/Maga. Maybe be even Chayniez daughter.

It's a cult. Any Republican that does anything bipartisan with the Democrats immediately ceases to be Republican to these cunts.

[Rich]

Anybody who receives the nomination of either the Democrat or Republican parties as a good shot at winning the Presidency. As long as someone could find a pulse on Joe Biden he could have been elected President. Its the same on the Republican side as evidenced by all the never Trumpers who are supporting him.

The Democrat and liberal establishment are responsible for giving us Biden and now Harris. The same can not be said of the Republican establishment. They never wanted Trump in the first place and after the Jan 6th protest, most leading Republicans were very glad to see the back of him.

I love the way so many Liberals are now trying to convince themselves that Harris is a good candidate. Its not that she's some consistent far left winger its just that she's awful. Her open support for prison slave labour was utterly vile. It seems she even worked to keep completely innocent people in prison. Being Vice President is not a hard a job, but Harris seemed to manage to fail at that. Liberals try and think for once! Why do you think Joe Biden chose her to be his running mate? He chose her because she was awful and unpopular. He or his team were aware of his age vulnerability, it was vital for him that his VP be a completely awful replacement.