[Godstud]

@Rugoz Ooooh, the "Google it!" argument. How can I possibly refute that! You win!

Grow up

[SpecialOlympian]

It's not a lie. It's logic. It's the USA. if people were preparing to have an insurrection, they would have come prepared to do so. That they didn't is evidence that there was no plans to. Don't let facts get in the way of your feelings, of course.

You are the liar. That's your general behavior, @Rugoz. That the facts around this case keep changing as reported by MSM, is the problem.

You were born in Canada and have never met anyone with the self importance of a person who is the son of or the person who runs three Ski-Doo dealerships.

No, they didn't have plans. And no, they didn't have a clear ideological goal. That's why it failed.

That doesn't mean every dipshit small business Authoritarian who invaded the capital didn't represent a *feel* in America. Which is that if you own a sports car for yourself, an SUV for your wife, and have that shitty textured paint with Southwestern style chile lights running along the staircase of your McMansion in a White Flight suburb you are basically god, and are owed everything the universe can offer. Including the election your fake tan caked avatar of racism lost.

You had to be an especially stupid and comfortable "middle class" asshole to show up to the Trump rally and then be convicted for it. And I have no sympathy for anyone who went to jail for it.

Like, what? The homeless and disenfranchised rose up to fight the Capital Police, the only vaguely good police unit in America because they don't need to boost numbers on pullovers and shit, for Trump? Lmao.

[SpecialOlympian]

Like, keep in mind these were the DeadHeads or the Phish followers of Trumpism who showed up to January 6th. They had more money than sense, and their sense told them to listen to a guy slathered in fake bake tanning oil rambling about how Oprah was very, very rude to him, the rudest from the standpoint of rudeness before they invaded the capital.

[Hakeer]

And its happening. The easiest way to determine the current situation in the polls is to take "Rasmussen" not because they are so good but because they are so bad and biased. Without going in to the nitty gritty in to their shitty methedology how to determine the current situation

1) You take Rasmussen polls that we got
2) Anything below +6 for Trump against Harris is Harris being in the lead above 50%.
3) +5-+4 in Rassmussen poll means that Harris is okay in the lead but still not guaranteed fully.
4) +3 for Trump and below means Trump is dead and basically has very few chances.
5) Tie or + anything for Harris means Trump has 0 chances.

Due to Rassmussen methedology and it is very scewed to the Republican electorate on mass. So according to that poll, you can see how Republican views are shifting or what they currently are on Trump.

I mostly watch 538 and Realclearpolitics. I look for convergence.

[Rugoz]

@Rugoz Ooooh, the "Google it!" argument. How can I possibly refute that! You win!

Grow up

You don't even have to go that far. Fasces made a post in this thread you dumbass.

[Godstud]

@Rugoz I see you're even thicker than the last time I tried talking with you. Why do I have to search out other discussions when this is the place for it?

[Hakeer]

Damn. This Walz guy has been closing the gap on Shapiro in the VP sweepstakes. Apparently, that may be partially because Nancy Pelosi stuck her nose into it. If Harris doesn’t pick Shapiro, that could be a fatal mistake in PA — the most critical swing state.

[SpecialOlympian]

Walz seems pretty good. Also contrasting him getting kids free lunches vs the GOP sending children to toil in the mines is a good idea.

[Hakeer]

Walz seems pretty good. Also contrasting him getting kids free lunches vs the GOP sending children to toil in the mines is a good idea.

If Walz were the governor of PA with a 61% approval and slaughtered a Trump-endorsed MAGA opponent in the 2022 governor’s election, I guarantee you I’d be touting him. Bernie Sanders likes him, because he’s more liberal than Shapiro. Hell, I might vote for him in a primary against Shapiro. But picking the guy who gives her the best chance to beat Trump should be the focus in this election, and PA is a “must win” state.

[ingliz]

It's the USA.

It is the USA. So, of course, they brought their guns.

Google is your friend...

Federal prosecutors say that Christopher Michael Alberts of Maryland was arrested on Capitol grounds on the evening of Jan. 6 while carrying a Taurus G2c 9 mm handgun with one round in the chamber and a full 12-round magazine. He also allegedly had an extra magazine in his pocket and was carrying a gas mask, pocket knife and first-aid kit.

Lonnie Leroy Coffman of Alabama was also arrested that evening after law enforcement found two firearms on his person, as well as what a federal judge referred to as a "small armoury" in his truck, which was parked near the Capitol. According to the court, the government found "a loaded handgun," "a loaded rifle," "a loaded shotgun," "a crossbow with bolts," "several machetes," "a stun gun" and "11 mason jars containing a flammable liquid, with a hole punched in the top of each jar." According to the government, surveillance footage showed him "in attendance at the events at the Capitol," though he has not been charged with breaching the building.

According to federal prosecutors, Cleveland Grover Meredith of North Carolina planned to arrive in D.C. for the Trump rallies on Jan. 6, but he was delayed because of car trouble. He was arrested the following day for allegedly assaulting a man in Washington, D.C., in a traffic-related incident and for making death threats against the D.C. mayor and Pelosi. During a search, law enforcement said they found in his possession "a Glock 19, nine mm pistol, a Tavor X95 assault rifle and approximately hundreds of rounds of ammunition." Citing text messages from Meredith, a federal prosecutor argued in court that he "relished in the carnage of January 6th."

The government's case against members of the far-right, anti-government militia known as the Oath Keepers alleges that the group discussed planning a "Quick Reaction Team" with weapons just outside Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6. One such defendant, Thomas Caldwell, allegedly wrote in a text message on Jan. 3, "we could have our Quick Response Team with the heavy weapons standing by, quickly load them and ferry them across the river to our waiting arms." Caldwell's attorney, meanwhile, has argued that references to such a team demonstrate that the group was purposely adhering to D.C.'s strict gun laws. Caldwell's attorney also argued that the messages were not about storming the Capitol, stating that the team was "nothing but a contingency plan hatched up by retired military guys strategizing if Antifa launched a coordinated attack against rally-goers." (There is no evidence that Antifa played any role in the events of Jan. 6.)

Prosecutors believe other defendants in the Capitol riot possessed guns on Jan. 6, though those rioters were not arrested and searched for weapons that day.

For example, Guy Wesley Reffitt allegedly "led a group of rioters up the Capitol steps" and "confronted law enforcement" but retreated after being pepper-sprayed. Reffitt was wearing tactical gear and "carrying his pistol" during the riot, according to the government, and also brought plastic flex cuffs.

Federal prosecutors say Reffitt is a member of the Texas Three Percenters, a far-right militia group. Reffitt's son told federal investigators that when Reffitt returned home from Washington, D.C., he brought an "AR-15 rifle and a Smith & Wesson pistol" in the house along with his other things. Reffitt was arrested on Jan. 18.

Samuel Fisher allegedly posted photos of himself, along with a rifle and handgun, in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 6. He posted on Facebook early that day that he was leaving things in a parking garage, "maybe except pistol," and added, "if it kicks off I got a Vest and My Rifle." Fisher was arrested on Jan. 20 and is facing charges of entering and remaining in a restricted building, as well as disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building, but not weapons charges.

Nolan Cooke, another Capitol riot defendant, allegedly told FBI agents that he "brought one or more firearms" to Washington, D.C. Still, he claimed he did not bring the weapons to the Capitol itself. He was arrested on Jan. 21.

[SpecialOlympian]

If Walz were the governor of PA with a 61% approval and slaughtered a Trump-endorsed MAGA opponent in the 2022 governor’s election, I guarantee you I’d be touting him. Bernie Sanders likes him, because he’s more liberal than Shapiro. Hell, I might vote for him in a primary against Shapiro. But picking the guy who gives her the best chance to beat Trump should be the focus in this election, and PA is a “must win” state.

I don't know much about Shapiro other than that he's very pro Israel in the current Gaza genocide.

The left tosses too much hay over "Genocide Joe" or how Kamala will carry on his current policy. Trump would send as much, if not more, money to Israel. Netanyahu just spoke to Congress and received a standing ovation from both parties; I don't think tying the Gaza genocide to an individual candidate is productive when the entirety of our Federal government seems dedicated to supporting Israel.

Both candidates will support the bombing of innocent Gazans. But I think picking Shapiro will turn off more people than he gains. The more I hear about Walz the cooler he seems. He made it a point to ensure children get lunches, only freaks get angry about that. He just seems like a genuinely decent, All-American guy. Or at least he can be sold that way.

My favorite story about him is that when he was a teacher and high school foot ball coach, he volunteered to be the head of the gay/straight alliance at his school. His reasoning was basically that if a married veteran who is coach of the football team supports the queers then it gives everyone who is less comically a real life Hank Hill license to shout, "Gays are fine with me!" Literally, he volunteered to do it because he knew he could sell himself as an almost parody of being straight to show support for queer students.

That sounds like a pretty decent guy to me.

[Hakeer]

I don't know much about Shapiro other than that he's very pro Israel in the current Gaza genocide.

The left tosses too much hay over "Genocide Joe" or how Kamala will carry on his current policy. Trump would send as much, if not more, money to Israel. Netanyahu just spoke to Congress and received a standing ovation from both parties; I don't think tying the Gaza genocide to an individual candidate is productive when the entirety of our Federal government seems dedicated to supporting Israel.

Both candidates will support the bombing of innocent Gazans. But I think picking Shapiro will turn off more people than he gains. The more I hear about Walz the cooler he seems. He made it a point to ensure children get lunches, only freaks get angry about that. He just seems like a genuinely decent, All-American guy. Or at least he can be sold that way.

My favorite story about him is that when he was a teacher and high school foot ball coach, he volunteered to be the head of the gay/straight alliance at his school. His reasoning was basically that if a married veteran who is coach of the football team supports the queers then it gives everyone who is less comically a real life Hank Hill license to shout, "Gays are fine with me!" Literally, he volunteered to do it because he knew he could sell himself as an almost parody of being straight to show support for queer students.

That sounds like a pretty decent guy to me.

Shapiro just said that Netanyahu is the worst Prime Minister in Israel’s history. He is a Jew and pro-Israel but strongly opposed to this government.

I do not dispute that Walz is a nice guy. The question should be which guy helps the most to win PA. First things first — GET ELECTED!

[wat0n]

Walz is very much pro-Israel, and he's had no issues enforcing Minnesota's anti-BDS laws.

I also recall he didn't hesitate to send the MN National Guard to repress the George Floyd riots, I find it hilarious leftists are so keen on him now.

Shapiro is still the smartest call, the only ones who would be turned off by him are leftists who want Trump to win anyway.

[Hakeer]

Walz is very much pro-Israel, and he's had no issues enforcing Minnesota's anti-BDS laws.

I also recall he didn't hesitate to send the MN National Guard to repress the George Floyd riots, I find it hilarious leftists are so keen on him now.

Shapiro is still the smartest call, the only ones who would be turned off by him are leftists who want Trump to win anyway.

Bernie Sanders likes him over Shapiro, because he thinks Walz is more liberal on economic issues. I don’t know, and I don’t care.
Harris needs to focus like a laser on winning PA.

Nobody worthy of calling himself a Democrat would ever consider voting for Trump. Do I even need to say that?

[wat0n]

Nobody worthy of calling himself a Democrat would ever consider voting for Trump. Do I even need to say that?

Those leftists who attack Biden or Kamala Harris are not Democrats, regardless of what they claim.

They also have a vested interest in a Trump win because their membership ranks swelled during his administration.

[Hakeer]

Those leftists who attack Biden or Kamala Harris are not Democrats, regardless of what they claim.

They also have a vested interest in a Trump win because their membership ranks swelled during his administration.

I have no idea who you are talking about. Prominent liberals like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren (and all others I’ve heard from) support Harris and denounce Trump.

[wat0n]

I have no idea who you are talking about. Prominent liberals like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren (and all others I’ve heard from) support Harris and denounce Trump.

I'm talking about the DSA types, those are to the left of Warren and have also dumped Bernie.

[Hakeer]

I'm talking about the DSA types, those are to the left of Warren and have also dumped Bernie.

I don’t know any DSA type who is not fully endorsing Harris and denouncing Trump. I know AOC was loyal to Biden, but once he dropped out, she’s totally behind Harris. I’m sure she hates Trump with a passion.

[wat0n]

I don’t know any DSA type who is not fully endorsing Harris and denouncing Trump. I know AOC was loyal to Biden, but once he dropped out, she’s totally behind Harris. I’m sure she hates Trump with a passion.

That's what they claim, not what they do.

If they did, they'd just go for the VP who's most likely to help win in PA. The path to victory seems quite rough without winning there.

[Hakeer]

That's what they claim, not what they do.

If they did, they'd just go for the VP who's most likely to help win in PA. The path to victory seems quite rough without winning there.

Fetterman is the only Democrat I have read is throwing shade on Shapiro. Apparently they have locked horns on some issues in PA politics and it’s a personal thing. He should just keep his mouth shut and focus on the big picture.