[annatar1914]

Or she picked this guy to appease Jewish voters. The Jewish PAC endorsed him. Shapiro did not help himself in that regard yesterday, calling Netanyahu the worst Israeli prime minister in history.

The idea that she doesn’t want to beat Trump stinks conspiracy theory.

@Hakeer :

Harris definitely didn't pick Walz, a liberal midwestern white male Lutheran beholden to the Somali Muslim vote in the narrow Governor's race which elected him, who is clearly against Israel's activities in Gaza and elsewhere, to " appease Jewish voters".

Now, one might say that this is a reflection of the divide between the Israelis and the Diaspora, Zionists versus Jewish liberal assimilationists, but I believe that time will bear out what I've been saying so far.

Trump will win, Harris will lose. It's not like I enjoy some of this, but it's nearing a kind of denouement in which everything is going to change

[JohnRawls]

Nonsense, if anything Trump-Vance will lose because of Vance and Harris-Walz will lose because of Harris.

It feels like you and @annatar1914 have no clue what you are talking about. Sure Vance was a meh pick but that is because Trump as he is. And Harris is extremely popular compared to other 2 alternatives of BIden or Trump.

[Rugoz]

It feels like you and @annatar1914 have no clue what you are talking about. Sure Vance was a meh pick but that is because Trump as he is. And Harris is extremely popular compared to other 2 alternatives of BIden or Trump.

I think if the tickets were reversed, i.e. Vance-Trump and Walz-Harris, we could safely say that Vance-Trump would lose and Walz-Harris would win. That's what I meant. Moreover, given Trump's age, the VP pick is far more relevant for him.

[Unthinking Majority]

The choice is between dumb corrupt wokesters or dumb corrupt authoritarian dictators. RIP America.

[annatar1914]

It feels like you and @annatar1914 have no clue what you are talking about. Sure Vance was a meh pick but that is because Trump as he is. And Harris is extremely popular compared to other 2 alternatives of BIden or Trump.

@JohnRawls :

I think that I might have some slightly greater understanding of the electoral and political situation in America, as I've been voting in American elections since 1988. I usually voted for a third party, Libertarian, Socialist, and once for Perot and his Reform Party.

I've lived there, have family and friends there from every region and political persuasion in the USA. I am by business and personal connections a degree or two separate from a few of the very sort of people we discuss on this and other threads

Harris and Wolz are a fucking joke. So is Trump and Vance. But Trump/Vance will win because otherwise it will be impossible for the Ukraine and Israel with Harris and Wolz.

It doesn't matter what you or I or any other common Plebian thinks about this Theatre. It's their theatre, and those who are fooled by it deserve to be fooled

[Hakeer]

It will backfire, even in CNN there was open talk about how being Jewish was a liability for Shapiro.

Jewish voters have been a constituency of the Democratic Party for decades. Being Jewish is not a liability for them but would be for neo-Nazi voters who would not vote for Harris no matter who she chose for VP.

[wat0n]

Jewish voters have been a constituency of the Democratic Party for decades. Being Jewish is not a liability for them but would be for neo-Nazi voters who would not vote for Harris no matter who she chose for VP.

Let's see what happens. One reason Reagan won the first time was that many more Jewish Democrats stayed home than normal because there was a high disapproval of Carter among them.

[SpecialOlympian]

This is how I see things as they stand now.

They have to maintain the illusion of a free and fair election, so Harris gets a fake bump in the polls despite being a candidate having never gone through the primaries of her party: they couldn't chance her losing there as she did in 2020 when she ran for President. So she gets the assist from the fourth estate media so that the whole American political system looks " left" to the voter as it actually moves further right.

Meanwhile, Trump holds back and trusts in the selection process while keeping a tight rein on his mouth, knowing that the incident in Butler will propel him back to the White House.

They need Trump for what's coming geopolitically.

You did this same weird "Maybe the election are stolen? But maybe not? I'll just blindly entertain the thoughts of idiots," thing back when Trump lost in 2020. The funniest thing is, Trump is now saying that Biden is the rightful president and that the nomination was stolen from him.

I prefer the Democrats over the insane, religious bigots of the Republican party. That doesn't mean I like them or think they're an effective political organization that effectively represents my interests. But given the choices, I want a Democratic technocrat nerd who dreams of homework in office over an insane, frothing at the mouth Republican who says weird ass shit like "We will bring consequences back to sex." What kind of freak spends their time thinking about how other people need to suffer for having sex?

https://x.com/Heritage/status/1662534135762624520

Anyway, here's the thing: Kamala didn't steal shit. Biden realized his position was untenable and stepped down, admittedly under pressure, and the VP people voted for is now stepping up to replace him at the top of the ticket. And it wasn't going to be anyone besides Kamala, because hundreds of millions of dollars were already deposited to accounts titled under the "Biden & Harris Campaign." It would have been a clusterfuck for it to be anyone else.

And regardless of the fucking Republicans and Trump, of all people, throwing up their hands and saying, "Wh-wh-what about democracy!?" as if they didn't spend the better part of a year trying to overturn an election, the RNC and DNC are not governmental organizations. They're fan clubs you can join. And they don't really have to follow any rules or nominate the incumbent President if they don't want to, which they won't.

Primaries aren't official governmental elections. They're privately run, and there's a decent argument to be had of their over importance in the electoral process, but it seems like the DNC is really delivering on what the members of their fan club want given the current polls and turnout to Kamala events. You are just spouting the dumbest rightwing talking points from the most hypocritical sources who are pissed off that they don't get to face off against a weak candidate.

It is fucking hilarious to me that Trump's position has evolved from:

"Biden stole the election from me, the most powerful man in the world!" → "Biden is the legitimate president and he is wrongfully being taken off the ballot!"

[SpecialOlympian]

Lmao Obama interfered in the Democratic primaries in 2020 and got Buttigieg, Warren, Kamala, and a bunch of other dorks I'm not remembering to drop out so Biden would be the de facto nominee against Bernie Sanders. Where were the Republicans who care about Democracy then?

Primaries aren't real. They're run by private organizations. The only people screaming about their legitimacy now are the people who thought Trump could win against a walking corpse, and were literally too stupid to have a Plan B in case Biden died. While they were screaming about how he's a dementia addled old man on death's door who is unfit to hold office.

Lmao, how fucking stupid do you have to be to listen to these people?

[Rugoz]

You mean this?

[annatar1914]

You did this same weird "Maybe the election are stolen? But maybe not? I'll just blindly entertain the thoughts of idiots," thing back when Trump lost in 2020. The funniest thing is, Trump is now saying that Biden is the rightful president and that the nomination was stolen from him.

I prefer the Democrats over the insane, religious bigots of the Republican party. That doesn't mean I like them or think they're an effective political organization that effectively represents my interests. But given the choices, I want a Democratic technocrat nerd who dreams of homework in office over an insane, frothing at the mouth Republican who says weird ass shit like "We will bring consequences back to sex." What kind of freak spends their time thinking about how other people need to suffer for having sex?

https://x.com/Heritage/status/1662534135762624520

Anyway, here's the thing: Kamala didn't steal shit. Biden realized his position was untenable and stepped down, admittedly under pressure, and the VP people voted for is now stepping up to replace him at the top of the ticket. And it wasn't going to be anyone besides Kamala, because hundreds of millions of dollars were already deposited to accounts titled under the "Biden & Harris Campaign." It would have been a clusterfuck for it to be anyone else.

And regardless of the fucking Republicans and Trump, of all people, throwing up their hands and saying, "Wh-wh-what about democracy!?" as if they didn't spend the better part of a year trying to overturn an election, the RNC and DNC are not governmental organizations. They're fan clubs you can join. And they don't really have to follow any rules or nominate the incumbent President if they don't want to, which they won't.

Primaries aren't official governmental elections. They're privately run, and there's a decent argument to be had of their over importance in the electoral process, but it seems like the DNC is really delivering on what the members of their fan club want given the current polls and turnout to Kamala events. You are just spouting the dumbest rightwing talking points from the most hypocritical sources who are pissed off that they don't get to face off against a weak candidate.

It is fucking hilarious to me that Trump's position has evolved from:

"Biden stole the election from me, the most powerful man in the world!" → "Biden is the legitimate president and he is wrongfully being taken off the ballot!"

@SpecialOlympian :

" Weird"?

No, what I said was that I absolutely believe that the US election of 2020 was "rigged" against Trump to where he lost, maybe even miraculously so, and that I didn't care, saw it as a good thing. I believe that it happened but I wanted Trump, who is a war president, out.

Well done, US " Deep State"

At least in 2020, the US Constitutional system worked. You don't have to join me in calling it miraculous, but you could agree with me and say that it was a proper correlation of material forces that had him out of power these past few years. Of course Biden was a total figurehead during those years but that is not too unusual a thing in US Presidential history: Reagan's last term he was clearly suffering from dementia same as Biden and nobody complained back then....

I absolutely agree that it couldn't be anyone else but Harris as the Democrat nominee, but I also think that Trump will be brought in to try to save Israel, and possibly the Ukraine too. Harris cannot go as far for Israel as Israel needs a US President to do. Or have Israel go as far as the US elites need it to do in the Middle East.

It's not that I don't believe in a republican democracy or the will of the people, it's that I find that this is impossible under Capitalism.

[Rich]

Alex Jones is tried the "she's not really black,

Kamala Harris not black, it doesn't matter how many liberal fantasists claim otherwise. She has dark skin but her skin's not black. In the same way indigenous British people are not white. There isn't a Black race or a White race.

Kamala Harris is a classic diversity product. Less intelligent, less competent, lazy or corrupt people who gain their position due to their supposed racial virtue. She's gamed the system in the same way that Liz Warren gamed the system by claiming she was part Amerindian race. Unlike Liz Warren Kamala Harris is not of European race. She emphaisised her Indian ethnic heritage when it suited her and then switched to emphsising her VDSA (Very dark skinned African) biological heritage. Donald Trump is quite right to point this out.

[starman2003]

I absolutely agree that it couldn't be anyone else but Harris as the Democrat nominee, but I also think that Trump will be brought in to try to save Israel,

"Save Israel"? No, just give it carte blanche to expel/kill Palestinians en masse.

and possibly the Ukraine too.

Trump has been pretty favorable to Putin.

Harris cannot go as far for Israel as Israel needs a US President to do. Or have Israel go as far as the US elites need it to do in the Middle East.

There's no doubt AIPAC, similar groups and their well--heeled donors wield great power; they just ran two critics of Israel out of office this year, on top of others over the past 50 years….Poor Bowman, poor Bush…The fact that fidelity to a foreign state is a requirement for holding office is an indictment of the present system. Our government, shanghaied by traitors…
Harris may not go as far for Israel as they'd like. But congress is like a poodle on AIPAC's leash. (The "squad"--what's left of it--is a voice in the wilderness.)

[Rugoz]

Kamala Harris is a classic diversity product. Less intelligent, less competent, lazy or corrupt people who gain their position due to their supposed racial virtue. She's gamed the system in the same way that Liz Warren gamed the system by claiming she was part Amerindian race. Unlike Liz Warren Kamala Harris is not of European race. She emphaisised her Indian ethnic heritage when it suited her and then switched to emphsising her VDSA (Very dark skinned African) biological heritage. Donald Trump is quite right to point this out.

And that's why the MAGA morons vote for Trump, because they're so concerned about intelligence, competence and integrity.

[wat0n]

Kamala Harris is the United States' Michelle Bachelet.

First female President (if Harris wins), both are also charismatic and genuinely likeable for many voters. This can actually turn out to be a winning position as far as electoral politics goes.

As for performance while in power? TBD, Bachelet was okay in her first administration but a low performer in the second one.

[SpecialOlympian]

Kamala Harris not black, it doesn't matter how many liberal fantasists claim otherwise. She has dark skin but her skin's not black. In the same way indigenous British people are not white. There isn't a Black race or a White race.

Kamala Harris is a classic diversity product. Less intelligent, less competent, lazy or corrupt people who gain their position due to their supposed racial virtue. She's gamed the system in the same way that Liz Warren gamed the system by claiming she was part Amerindian race. Unlike Liz Warren Kamala Harris is not of European race. She emphaisised her Indian ethnic heritage when it suited her and then switched to emphsising her VDSA (Very dark skinned African) biological heritage. Donald Trump is quite right to point this out.

She's a DEI hire, just like how Obama made Biden his VP because he needed old white men's votes. I agree.

Can you please tell us more about your opinions of Kamala's race?

[Rugoz]

100k? Sure bro.

How did this moron ever become POTUS and is in the running for a 2nd term? Wtf is going on America.

[Rugoz]

Scaramucci suggested Trump could step aside for Haley, who in turn would pardon him. I thought he was crazy. Maybe not .

[annatar1914]

"Save Israel"? No, just give it carte blanche to expel/kill Palestinians en masse.



Trump has been pretty favorable to Putin.



There's no doubt AIPAC, similar groups and their well--heeled donors wield great power; they just ran two critics of Israel out of office this year, on top of others over the past 50 years….Poor Bowman, poor Bush…The fact that fidelity to a foreign state is a requirement for holding office is an indictment of the present system. Our government, shanghaied by traitors…
Harris may not go as far for Israel as they'd like. But congress is like a poodle on AIPAC's leash. (The "squad"--what's left of it--is a voice in the wilderness.)

@starman2003

Firstly, we all know, or should know, that it would be impossible to have a two state solution: it's either going to be a Jewish country or a Muslim country, or the Europeans will seize the area back someday if they don't become Muslim themselves.

Second, Trump hasn't been favorable to Russia. He talked a lot of BS while helping build up the Ukrainian military power and undermining Russian efforts in Syria and elsewhere. Trump is for Trump, first and foremost, but he understands geopolitical and economic realities more than most. When he calls for defending Capitalism and being an Anticommunist as his bedrock principle, I have to believe him.

Third, Harris and Wolz are too beholden to voters who for a variety of reasons are lukewarm at best towards Israel or the Ukraine and have too many domestic interests to have their leadership focus on Israeli or Ukrainian regimes survival.

Therefore, the Israelis and Bandera fascists and others have every good reason to make 100% certain that Trump returns to the US Presidency.

[MadMonk]

@starman2003

Firstly, we all know, or should know, that it would be impossible to have a two state solution: it's either going to be a Jewish country or a Muslim country, or the Europeans will seize the area back someday if they don't become Muslim themselves.

Second, Trump hasn't been favorable to Russia. He talked a lot of BS while helping build up the Ukrainian military power and undermining Russian efforts in Syria and elsewhere. Trump is for Trump, first and foremost, but he understands geopolitical and economic realities more than most. When he calls for defending Capitalism and being an Anticommunist as his bedrock principle, I have to believe him.

Third, Harris and Wolz are too beholden to voters who for a variety of reasons are lukewarm at best towards Israel or the Ukraine and have too many domestic interests to have their leadership focus on Israeli or Ukrainian regimes survival.

Therefore, the Israelis and Bandera fascists and others have every good reason to make 100% certain that Trump returns to the US Presidency.

There are many questionable assumptions being made right here, but one thing above all else is simply wrong; pro-war Ukrainians, your Bandera fascists, do not want Trump and the Republicans back in the White House. Not a chance in hell.