[SpecialOlympian]

It is so fucking funny that Trump's campaign was entirely founded on calling Biden too old and weak to govern, and they had zero plans for him stepping down. Or if he just died of old age. Like, I can see them not anticipating a sitting incumbent stepping down. That's unique. But they had no plan for how to prepare if the mummy they said was on death's door died? They had zero plans for if Biden died when their whole pitch was, "He's old and a Soros puppet and and he's dying right now."

Like lmao Trump is literally saying Biden is the rightful president and the election wasn't rigged because that's who he wants to campaign against ahahah

[annatar1914]

There are many questionable assumptions being made right here, but one thing above all else is simply wrong; pro-war Ukrainians, your Bandera fascists, do not want Trump and the Republicans back in the White House. Not a chance in hell.

@MadMonk :

Yes they do. Igor Kolomoiskiy and other " Ukrainian" Oligarchs who bankroll Pravy Sektor and other Bandera groups have contributed to Trump's reelection campaign.

Edit: oh, and here's Israeli motive for supporting Trump:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024 ... ted-votes/

[JohnRawls]

@MadMonk :

Yes they do. Igor Kolomoiskiy and other " Ukrainian" Oligarchs who bankroll Pravy Sektor and other Bandera groups have contributed to Trump's reelection campaign.

Edit: oh, and here's Israeli motive for supporting Trump:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024 ... ted-votes/

What? You make it sound like Pravy Sector has any influence in Ukraine and didn't get only 1 MP elected in its history if I am not mistaken. Extreme right wing barely exists in Ukraine as an ideology or party if you compare it to any European country or especially Russia

[annatar1914]

What? You make it sound like Pravy Sector has any influence in Ukraine and didn't get only 1 MP elected in its history if I am not mistaken. Extreme right wing barely exists in Ukraine as an ideology or party if you compare it to any European country or especially Russia

@JohnRawls :

Well, that's completely bullshit, of course, but you are invested in Russia being wrong in it's war against the Ukraine, so there's that.

But the fact remains that these gentlemen have indeed been contributing to Trump's reelection campaign.

For some reason you don't address that. Doesn't fit your preference does it? Trump is Orange Man Bad, and the Ukraine is holding back the Asiatic Moscovite Horde.

Pathetic.

[Unthinking Majority]

It is so fucking funny that Trump's campaign was entirely founded on calling Biden too old and weak to govern, and they had zero plans for him stepping down. Or if he just died of old age. Like, I can see them not anticipating a sitting incumbent stepping down. That's unique. But they had no plan for how to prepare if the mummy they said was on death's door died? They had zero plans for if Biden died when their whole pitch was, "He's old and a Soros puppet and and he's dying right now."

Like lmao Trump is literally saying Biden is the rightful president and the election wasn't rigged because that's who he wants to campaign against ahahah

Trump's gameplan towards his opponent is to mostly insult them and branding them with insulting nicknames (that i'll admit are sometimes hilarious).

[starman2003]

Firstly, we all know, or should know, that it would be impossible to have a two state solution:

Indeed. I didn't say anything about that above. A two state solution will never come about under present Israeli government, which is taking steps to thwart the possibility of one even if the recent trend toward rightwing government ends.

it's either going to be a Jewish country…

Sure, more settlers are a sign of that. Ultimately Israel may kill and expel the Palestinians en masse.

When he calls for defending Capitalism and being an Anticommunist as his bedrock principle, I have to believe him.

The US isn't facing the USSR anymore.

Third, Harris and Wolz are too beholden to voters who for a variety of reasons are lukewarm at best towards Israel or the Ukraine and have too many domestic interests to have their leadership focus on Israeli or Ukrainian regimes survival.

Therefore, the Israelis and Bandera fascists and others have every good reason to make 100% certain that Trump returns to the US Presidency.

True, rank and file democrats tend to be less favorable to Israel than republicans. But all administrations incline heavily toward Israel, including the current democratic one, and this mirrors the $ and clout of Israel's domestic backers.

[QatzelOk]

As a populist, Trump wants to do what the ordinary American wants him to do: help Israel ethnic-cleanse the Middle East of its Arab population.



His landlord son-in-law has plans for the area once "Manifest Destiny" has been accomplished.

Jared Kushner Says Israel Should “Finish the Job” in Gaza So It Can Focus on Building Valuable “Waterfront Property”

These are exactly the kinds of things that America's long-downtrodden working class want and need. An ethnic-cleansed Middle East, and new real estate possibilities for well-connected rich people.

These are the kinds of things that created the original U.S.A., so they bring back a lot of nostalgia: the working class has always been "helped" by ethnic-cleansing and the resultant real-estate boom.

But I sense that the Democrats are equally into these things (ethnic-cleansing and real estate) but need to downplay them a bit in order to differentiate their brand from the other brand.

[starman2003]

As a populist, Trump wants to do what the ordinary American wants him to do: help Israel ethnic-cleanse the Middle East of its Arab population.

Why wasn't that done in his first (and hopefully only) term? It probably would've been, when zionists had the 10/7 pretext, if he was POTUS.
AFAIK polls don't show a majority of Americans favoring this but, if or when it happens, AIPAC's poodles in congress would support it more or less openly.

[JohnRawls]

@JohnRawls :

Well, that's completely bullshit, of course, but you are invested in Russia being wrong in it's war against the Ukraine, so there's that.

But the fact remains that these gentlemen have indeed been contributing to Trump's reelection campaign.

For some reason you don't address that. Doesn't fit your preference does it? Trump is Orange Man Bad, and the Ukraine is holding back the Asiatic Moscovite Horde.

Pathetic.

What, are you insane? Pravy Sector barely has any power in Ukraine, how is it going to help Trump when it has no resources or power? What the actual fuck?

I don't know where you read your daily dose of propaganda or Russian bullshit but just stop. I am kinda curious also, is Pravy Sector under control of Zelensky or something? I hope you understand that Kolomoysky is prosecuted by Zelensky for corruption so if the answer to Zelensky being in control and Kolomoyski being prosecuted by Zelensky then the chances of him running Pravy Sector is 0.

If you bothered to read any details about the Russian agit-prop campaign and the testimonies of defected agents from GRU and SVR that fled to Europe then you would know that the whole right-wing pravy sector and "Yarish" and whatever is mostly Russian fiction that they created back in 2014. We now know it for sure and its not speculation since the defectors sang like birds to get asylum and help. We have names, we have people, we have dates now, we know who were in charge and organised a lot of this both the media campaigns and the covert action in some cases.

[annatar1914]

What, are you insane? Pravy Sector barely has any power in Ukraine, how is it going to help Trump when it has no resources or power? What the actual fuck?

I don't know where you read your daily dose of propaganda or Russian bullshit but just stop. I am kinda curious also, is Pravy Sector under control of Zelensky or something? I hope you understand that Kolomoysky is prosecuted by Zelensky for corruption so if the answer to Zelensky being in control and Kolomoyski being prosecuted by Zelensky then the chances of him running Pravy Sector is 0.

If you bothered to read any details about the Russian agit-prop campaign and the testimonies of defected agents from GRU and SVR that fled to Europe then you would know that the whole right-wing pravy sector and "Yarish" and whatever is mostly Russian fiction that they created back in 2014. We now know it for sure and its not speculation since the defectors sang like birds to get asylum and help. We have names, we have people, we have dates now, we know who were in charge and organised a lot of this both the media campaigns and the covert action in some cases.

@JohnRawls :

More obfuscation and ad hominem remarks, all of which is to deflect from the facts:

Oligarchs such as Kolomoiskiy bankrolled the Maidan . They bankrolled the Bandera Fascists and Kolomoiskiy and others bankrolled Zelensky.

They also are contributing to the Trump reelection campaign. He was ever only the enemy of the Russian people and always will be.

I know that you don't want to see, or others to see, that your mendacious narrative is falling to pieces along with the god-damned Bandera devils, who are the dependable praetorian guard of the Kiev regime. For now.

Some of these guys have Israeli citizenship, are Jews. But with the self hating bad instincts of the Galut bred within them, they never serve true Israeli interests but those of their true worst enemies. But that's not unique to them either.

[JohnRawls]

@JohnRawls :

More obfuscation and ad hominem remarks, all of which is to deflect from the facts:

Oligarchs such as Kolomoiskiy bankrolled the Maidan . They bankrolled the Bandera Fascists and Kolomoiskiy and others bankrolled Zelensky.

They also are contributing to the Trump reelection campaign. He was ever only the enemy of the Russian people and always will be.

I know that you don't want to see, or others to see, that your mendacious narrative is falling to pieces along with the god-damned Bandera devils, who are the dependable praetorian guard of the Kiev regime. For now.

Some of these guys have Israeli citizenship, are Jews. But with the self hating bad instincts of the Galut bred within them, they never serve true Israeli interests but those of their true worst enemies. But that's not unique to them either.

You are crazy

Servant of the People 6,307,793 43.16 124 4,630,880 32.87 130 254 New
Opposition Platform — For Life 1,908,111 13.06 37 987,832 7.01 6 43 New
Batkivshchyna 1,196,303 8.19 24 686,734 4.87 2 26 +6
European Solidarity 1,184,620 8.11 23 589,918 4.19 2 25 –106
Holos 851,722 5.83 17 401,903 2.85 3 20 New
Radical Party of Oleh Liashko 586,384 4.01 0 152,191 1.08 0 0 –22
Strength and Honor 558,652 3.82 0 175,397 1.24 0 0 0
Opposition Bloc 443,195 3.03 0 377,191 2.68 6 6 New
Ukrainian Strategy of Groysman 352,934 2.42 0 0 New
Party of Shariy 327,152 2.24 0 12,054 0.09 0 0 New
Svoboda 315,568 2.16 0 452,373 3.21 1 1 –6 <--- technically this one also can be very vaguely categorised as far right but not as far right as right sector.
Civil Position 153,225 1.05 0 103,044 0.73 0 0 0
Party of Greens of Ukraine 96,659 0.66 0 0 0
Self Reliance 91,596 0.63 0 135,297 0.96 1 1 –32
Agrarian Party of Ukraine 75,509 0.52 0 96,139 0.68 0 0 New
Movement of New Forces 67,740 0.46 0 7,683 0.05 0 0 New
Power of the People 27,984 0.19 0 49,117 0.35 0 0 0
Power of Law [uk] 20,340 0.14 0 0 New
Patriot 16,123 0.11 0 18,015 0.13 0 0 New
Social Justice 15,967 0.11 0 2,615 0.02 0 0 New
Independence 7,970 0.05 0 0 New
Torch 7,739 0.05 0 0 New
United Centre 44,485 0.32 1 1 New
People's Movement of Ukraine 41,482 0.29 0 0 0
Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform 22,279 0.16 0 0 –
Bila Tserkva Together 20,277 0.14 1 1 New
Democratic Axis 13,613 0.10 0 0 New
Civil Movement of Ukraine 12,037 0.09 0 0 0
Joint Action 7,071 0.05 0 0 0
Ukrainian Unity Party 6,355 0.05 0 0 New
Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists 5,318 0.04 0 0 0
Right Sector 5,093 0.04 0 0 –1 <---------------------------------- "The all powerful Right Sector"

Full list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukra ... y_election

Once again, you are fucking crazy and brainwashed.

How does that make any sense to you that your all powerful "Right Sector" got 1/25th of a percent or 0.04% of the voters that voted. Now you can add Svoboda to it which are technically also far right but not as far right as right sector but their total is 2.2% of votes basically.

Holy fuck a party that got 5000 votes out of 14,613,286 votes is surely "powerful" enough to influence what is happening in the US.

[Rancid]

Trump's gameplan towards his opponent is to mostly insult them and branding them with insulting nicknames (that i'll admit are sometimes hilarious).

People are pretty fucking tired of this. The circus needs to end.

[annatar1914]

You are crazy

Servant of the People 6,307,793 43.16 124 4,630,880 32.87 130 254 New
Opposition Platform — For Life 1,908,111 13.06 37 987,832 7.01 6 43 New
Batkivshchyna 1,196,303 8.19 24 686,734 4.87 2 26 +6
European Solidarity 1,184,620 8.11 23 589,918 4.19 2 25 –106
Holos 851,722 5.83 17 401,903 2.85 3 20 New
Radical Party of Oleh Liashko 586,384 4.01 0 152,191 1.08 0 0 –22
Strength and Honor 558,652 3.82 0 175,397 1.24 0 0 0
Opposition Bloc 443,195 3.03 0 377,191 2.68 6 6 New
Ukrainian Strategy of Groysman 352,934 2.42 0 0 New
Party of Shariy 327,152 2.24 0 12,054 0.09 0 0 New
Svoboda 315,568 2.16 0 452,373 3.21 1 1 –6 <--- technically this one also can be very vaguely categorised as far right but not as far right as right sector.
Civil Position 153,225 1.05 0 103,044 0.73 0 0 0
Party of Greens of Ukraine 96,659 0.66 0 0 0
Self Reliance 91,596 0.63 0 135,297 0.96 1 1 –32
Agrarian Party of Ukraine 75,509 0.52 0 96,139 0.68 0 0 New
Movement of New Forces 67,740 0.46 0 7,683 0.05 0 0 New
Power of the People 27,984 0.19 0 49,117 0.35 0 0 0
Power of Law [uk] 20,340 0.14 0 0 New
Patriot 16,123 0.11 0 18,015 0.13 0 0 New
Social Justice 15,967 0.11 0 2,615 0.02 0 0 New
Independence 7,970 0.05 0 0 New
Torch 7,739 0.05 0 0 New
United Centre 44,485 0.32 1 1 New
People's Movement of Ukraine 41,482 0.29 0 0 0
Ukrainian Democratic Alliance for Reform 22,279 0.16 0 0 –
Bila Tserkva Together 20,277 0.14 1 1 New
Democratic Axis 13,613 0.10 0 0 New
Civil Movement of Ukraine 12,037 0.09 0 0 0
Joint Action 7,071 0.05 0 0 0
Ukrainian Unity Party 6,355 0.05 0 0 New
Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists 5,318 0.04 0 0 0
Right Sector 5,093 0.04 0 0 –1 <---------------------------------- "The all powerful Right Sector"

Full list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukra ... y_election

Once again, you are fucking crazy and brainwashed.

How does that make any sense to you that your all powerful "Right Sector" got 1/25th of a percent or 0.04% of the voters that voted. Now you can add Svoboda to it which are technically also far right but not as far right as right sector but their total is 2.2% of votes basically.

Holy fuck a party that got 5000 votes out of 14,613,286 votes is surely "powerful" enough to influence what is happening in the US.

@JohnRawls :

You must be willfully blind.

I'm talking about the backers of Zelensky AND the Bandera scum giving Trump money for his campaign, and you want to yammer incontinently about the votes these bastards get in peacetime elections in the Ukraine.

Why is that? Like voting is the only way to win power or support?

If you admit and believe Trump is a fascist, and your blood brothers the Bandera are as well despite your protests, what does that make you?

That's why you resort to ad hominem attacks and ignore the real meat of the argument I make. You will be right there fellating Trump when he wins, even when his policies give it to you good and hard. When he gives the Bandera support you'll soften your anti Trump rhetoric, and you will be silent about the Middle East kerfuffle and all that.

As I said, pathetic.

[Deutschmania]

I will ask @annatar1914 if such Ukrainian political campaign donors have been bankrolling Donald Trump , because they feel that he will serve their interests , then why is the Russian Communist , Maryana Naumova likewise backing Trump , only in the supposed interest of Russia ? Is she simply a political ignoramus , who should but out of U.S. politics? I mean , I feel that all foreign entities should stop interfering in American elections . My point is simply that both cannot be true at the same time . Either you are correct , and such supposedly pro-Kiev right-wing oligarchs actually do believe that Trump is an asset for them , or else @JohnRawls is correct , and Trump is disinterested in Ukraine . From what I have seen and heard , not only coming from him , but from J.D. Vance , I believe that it's more likely the latter .

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?id=100057516585216&story_fbid=1265289560210479

[Rancid]

It is so fucking funny that Trump's campaign was entirely founded on calling Biden too old and weak to govern, and they had zero plans for him stepping down. Or if he just died of old age. Like, I can see them not anticipating a sitting incumbent stepping down. That's unique. But they had no plan for how to prepare if the mummy they said was on death's door died? They had zero plans for if Biden died when their whole pitch was, "He's old and a Soros puppet and and he's dying right now."

Like lmao Trump is literally saying Biden is the rightful president and the election wasn't rigged because that's who he wants to campaign against ahahah

I still don't understand how some people are still "on the fence" about Trump. These have got to be the most absolute retarded people.

That said, the Harris campaign will have to figure out how to win these morons.

You can tell, I'm not fit to be a campaign worker.

[Rancid]

The great businessman that will benefit the working class more than Biden/Harris/Walz:


16 million losses this past quarter.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/09/trump-m ... falls.html



Trump is better for the working class and poor....

"Run the government like a business"... apparently he did, because he sky rocketed the US debt as well when he was president.

[annatar1914]

I will ask @annatar1914 if such Ukrainian political campaign donors have been bankrolling Donald Trump , because they feel that he will serve their interests , then why is the Russian Communist , Maryana Naumova likewise backing Trump , only in the supposed interest of Russia ? Is she simply a political ignoramus , who should but out of U.S. politics? I mean , I feel that all foreign entities should stop interfering in American elections . My point is simply that both cannot be true at the same time . Either you are correct , and such supposedly pro-Kiev right-wing oligarchs actually do believe that Trump is an asset for them , or else @JohnRawls is correct , and Trump is disinterested in Ukraine . From what I have seen and heard , not only coming from him , but from J.D. Vance , I believe that it's more likely the latter .

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?id=100057516585216&story_fbid=1265289560210479

@Deutschmania :

Trump " let" the buildup of the Ukraine proceed on his watch unhindered from 2016-2020.

His fake Philo Russian blather is a ruse. After all, what actually happened as a result that wasn't itself mere theatre?

[Rugoz]

Once again, you are fucking crazy and brainwashed.

Indeed, fucking crazy. If you want to know how the most evil scum in history could get away with pretending to be good, look no further than annatar.

[annatar1914]

Indeed, fucking crazy. If you want to know how the most evil scum in history could get away with pretending to be good, look no further than annatar.

@Rugoz :

I take being calumniated by the likes of you and your Baltic Crypto Fascist friend to almost be a badge of honour, Arrow Cross Magyar.

[JohnRawls]

@Rugoz :

I take being calumniated by the likes of you and your Baltic Crypto Fascist friend to almost be a badge of honour, Arrow Cross Magyar.

Why am I Fascist? I vote in every election and in the last 5-4 local or parliament I voted for Centre Right Reform party. How come I am Fascist? Estonia also at best, has a ultra-christian-conservative party EKRE but they are not Fascist. Just conservative-christian crazy.