[Puffer Fish]

Is this really that surprising?

France migration CHAOS: 77% of rape cases on Paris streets committed by foreigners in 2023 - shock stats reveal

More than three quarters of rapes on the streets of Paris last year were committed by foreign nationals, according to shocking data from French authorities.

97 rapes were recorded in public spaces in France's capital in 2023 - fewer than a third of which have been solved, local outlet Europe 1 reported.

Of the 97, 36 were arrested, 28 of whom were of foreign nationality - a staggering 77 per cent of those accused - while 30 cases were solved by the authorities.

France migration CHAOS: 77% of rape cases on Paris streets committed by foreigners in 2023 - shock stats reveal, by James Saunders, GBN News (Britain), Jan 5, 2024

I wonder what the cause of this could be?

European women being viewed as "sluts and whores" relative to muslim culture?
a tendency in muslim culture of viewing non-muslims with contempt, with non-muslim women viewed as "free for the picking" ?
A gender imbalance of excess males among the migrant population?
All of the above?
Genetics?

Is liberal immigration policy worth all these women being victimised?

[Puffer Fish]

Another interesting phenomena is that women on French beaches are now covering up.

Going topless used to be common on French beaches. Maybe 40-50 percent of the women at French beaches did it in the early 90s. But that's changed.

By 2013, an opinion poll revealed that only 18 percent of French women said they would consider sunbathing topless and just 12 percent do it regularly. That same poll revealed 50 percent of women believed the trend to be no longer fashionable. France’s Elle magazine describes the change in culture as a “worrying sign of a regression in the place of women”.

article in French here: https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/socie ... 70900.html

Apparently women are covering up their breasts because they don't feel "comfortable" and are tired of being ogled by strange creepy men.

So that's a big change in the culture.



Number of French women sunbathing topless hits its lowest for 40 years, by Rachel Bunyan, DailyMail, 26 August 2021

"Nearly 50 per cent of women said the reason why they would now wear a bikini top is due to a fear of being harassed or attacked by men"

"Topless sunbathing has become less popular in recent years, with only 19 per cent of women saying they do, compared to 34 per cent in 2009 and 40 per cent in 1984."

"The survey by pollster Ifop showed that French women are becoming increasingly cautious of going topless due to health concerns, sexual harassment fears and safety reasons, reports Le Parisien."

" 46 per cent of women cited worries about being covertly photographed and the photo then being posted on social media. 48 per cent said they were worried about being harassed or attacked by men on the beaches if they sunbathed topless. 53 per cent said they decided to wear a bikini top because of health reasons such as skin cancer or damage."

"Previous surveys have also shown that younger women are increasingly concerned about sexual harassment and body shaming on the beach."

"Less than 20 per cent of French women aged under 50 now sunbathe topless, compared with 28 per cent 10 years ago and 43 per cent in 1984, according to a 2020 survey by Ifop of over 5,000 Europeans including 1,000 French."

"Topless sunbathing first gained a foothold in France in the 1960s, as second-wave feminism swept through Europe."


I visited one of those beaches in 1999 or 2000 and was surprised to see a 14-year-old French girl change of out of her bathing suit in public, without seeming to be in much of a hurry to put her clothes back on. She was with her family. These days, I wonder if the mothers of these teens would feel comfortable with their daughters doing that.

[albionfagan]

Another interesting phenomena is that women on French beaches are now covering up.

Going topless used to be common on French beaches. Maybe 40-50 percent of the women at French beaches did it in the early 90s. But that's changed.

By 2013, an opinion poll revealed that only 18 percent of French women said they would consider sunbathing topless and just 12 percent do it regularly. That same poll revealed 50 percent of women believed the trend to be no longer fashionable. France’s Elle magazine describes the change in culture as a “worrying sign of a regression in the place of women”.

article in French here: https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/socie ... 70900.html

Apparently women are covering up their breasts because they don't feel "comfortable" and are tired of being ogled by strange creepy men.

So that's a big change in the culture.



Number of French women sunbathing topless hits its lowest for 40 years, by Rachel Bunyan, DailyMail, 26 August 2021

"Nearly 50 per cent of women said the reason why they would now wear a bikini top is due to a fear of being harassed or attacked by men"

"Topless sunbathing has become less popular in recent years, with only 19 per cent of women saying they do, compared to 34 per cent in 2009 and 40 per cent in 1984."

"The survey by pollster Ifop showed that French women are becoming increasingly cautious of going topless due to health concerns, sexual harassment fears and safety reasons, reports Le Parisien."

" 46 per cent of women cited worries about being covertly photographed and the photo then being posted on social media. 48 per cent said they were worried about being harassed or attacked by men on the beaches if they sunbathed topless. 53 per cent said they decided to wear a bikini top because of health reasons such as skin cancer or damage."

"Previous surveys have also shown that younger women are increasingly concerned about sexual harassment and body shaming on the beach."

"Less than 20 per cent of French women aged under 50 now sunbathe topless, compared with 28 per cent 10 years ago and 43 per cent in 1984, according to a 2020 survey by Ifop of over 5,000 Europeans including 1,000 French."

"Topless sunbathing first gained a foothold in France in the 1960s, as second-wave feminism swept through Europe."


I visited one of those beaches in 1999 or 2000 and was surprised to see a 14-year-old French girl change of out of her bathing suit in public, without seeming to be in much of a hurry to put her clothes back on. She was with her family. These days, I wonder if the mothers of these teens would feel comfortable with their daughters doing that.

Why are you staring at 14 year old girls changing?

[MistyTiger]

Fewer topless French women is a political issue?

Everyone is a foreigner if they travel outside their own native country. And still people travel.

This article seems to support someone who is anti-immigration. Well, that's too bad. Since the world began, people have been moving from place to place. It's natural and inevitable even if the government tries to restrict immigration.

Rape cannot necessarily be blamed on foreigners. Sometimes, women are raped by their own family members. The media loves to blame outsiders because it sounds more sensational or wild.

[Puffer Fish]

Since the world began, people have been moving from place to place. It's natural and inevitable even if the government tries to restrict immigration.

With respect, that seems disingenuous to me. The movement of people that has been happening over the last 20 years in Europe is not like the movement of people that was happening between, say, 1890 to 1990.

There is a much larger movement of people now, coming from other more distant parts of the world.

Rape cannot necessarily be blamed on foreigners. Sometimes, women are raped by their own family members. The media loves to blame outsiders because it sounds more sensational or wild.

Rape rate for France (by year, per 100,000 people)
1971 - 2.0
1995 - 12.5
2009 - 16.2
2015 - 20.1

[MistyTiger]

With respect, that seems disingenuous to me. The movement of people that has been happening over the last 20 years in Europe is not like the movement of people that was happening between, say, 1890 to 1990.

There is a much larger movement of people now, coming from other more distant parts of the world.

My point still stands that immigration still continues to happen, regardless of government restrictions. Governments have always required travel papers or travel documents. People still immigrate illegally anyway. We have terms like stowaways and illegal immigrants.

Rape rate for France (by year, per 100,000 people)
1971 - 2.0
1995 - 12.5
2009 - 16.2
2015 - 20.1

That doesn't show how many of the rapists were foreigners as opposed to someone who the victim knew.

[Puffer Fish]

My point still stands that immigration still continues to happen, regardless of government restrictions. Governments have always required travel papers or travel documents. People still immigrate illegally anyway. We have terms like stowaways and illegal immigrants.

How about we decriminalize rape then.

Based off that same line of thinking...

[MistyTiger]

How about we decriminalize rape then.

Based off that same line of thinking...

My line of thinking doesn't lead to decriminalized rape. I'm confused about how you came to that idea. Wtf?!?

Is this thread about how you think immigration should be illegal entirely? Pretty much everyone is an immigrant.

In the beginning, there was only one land mass, the continent of Africa. Gradually, the tectonic plates shifted and slowly continents formed. People moved to different sides of the globe. So we're all immigrants except for the native Africans who never moved anywhere.

[Pants-of-dog]

What percent of rapes in Paris are street rapes?

[pugsville]

Is this really that surprising?

France migration CHAOS: 77% of rape cases on Paris streets committed by foreigners in 2023 - shock stats reveal

More than three quarters of rapes on the streets of Paris last year were committed by foreign nationals, according to shocking data from French authorities.

97 rapes were recorded in public spaces in France's capital in 2023 - fewer than a third of which have been solved, local outlet Europe 1 reported.

Of the 97, 36 were arrested, 28 of whom were of foreign nationality - a staggering 77 per cent of those accused - while 30 cases were solved by the authorities.

France migration CHAOS: 77% of rape cases on Paris streets committed by foreigners in 2023 - shock stats reveal, by James Saunders, GBN News (Britain), Jan 5, 2024

I wonder what the cause of this could be?

European women being viewed as "sluts and whores" relative to muslim culture?
a tendency in muslim culture of viewing non-muslims with contempt, with non-muslim women viewed as "free for the picking" ?
A gender imbalance of excess males among the migrant population?
All of the above?
Genetics?

Is liberal immigration policy worth all these women being victimised?

GB News you are so gullible.

[Truth To Power]

Fewer topless French women is a political issue?

It is indeed. As Ayaan Hirsi Ali documents in "Prey," European women in general have seen their rights to liberty eroded by sexual aggression by immigrants from certain regions over the last decade.

This article seems to support someone who is anti-immigration.

It is disingenuous to claim that "immigration" is to blame. The prolific sex offenders who are committing almost all of these sexual assaults are not immigrants from the USA, Canada or Australia, or East Asian countries or other European countries or Latin American countries. They are almost invariably from Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia.

Rape cannot necessarily be blamed on foreigners. Sometimes, women are raped by their own family members. The media loves to blame outsiders because it sounds more sensational or wild.

There is a background level of rape and sexual assault committed by family members, dates, and others in the victims' social circles. The dramatic increase is in rapes by strangers, and they are almost always immigrants from majority-Muslim countries.

If you read the Qu'ran, rape is almost a sacrament: Mohammed, the "perfect human being," engaged in it and advocated it to his followers. Islam is indeed a belief system that seems designed to appeal to men who want to rape: many young males who joined ISIS did so in order to have access to captive women and girls that they would be at liberty to rape with impunity. Evolutionary theory tells us that to the extent that this desire is genetic, where rape is not prohibited, rapists will tend to have more offspring than non-rapists, and rapist genes will become more frequent in the population. So the result of Islam becoming the majority religion in a given population is an increase in the proportion of men who seek to rape.

[MistyTiger]

It is indeed. As Ayaan Hirsi Ali documents in "Prey," European women in general have seen their rights to liberty eroded by sexual aggression by immigrants from certain regions over the last decade.

It is disingenuous to claim that "immigration" is to blame. The prolific sex offenders who are committing almost all of these sexual assaults are not immigrants from the USA, Canada or Australia, or East Asian countries or other European countries or Latin American countries. They are almost invariably from Muslim-majority countries in the Middle East, North Africa and South Asia.

There is a background level of rape and sexual assault committed by family members, dates, and others in the victims' social circles. The dramatic increase is in rapes by strangers, and they are almost always immigrants from majority-Muslim countries.

If you read the Qu'ran, rape is almost a sacrament: Mohammed, the "perfect human being," engaged in it and advocated it to his followers. Islam is indeed a belief system that seems designed to appeal to men who want to rape: many young males who joined ISIS did so in order to have access to captive women and girls that they would be at liberty to rape with impunity. Evolutionary theory tells us that to the extent that this desire is genetic, where rape is not prohibited, rapists will tend to have more offspring than non-rapists, and rapist genes will become more frequent in the population. So the result of Islam becoming the majority religion in a given population is an increase in the proportion of men who seek to rape.

I'm not blaming immigrants for rape. The OP points at foreigners and immigration.

I don't have any feelings of opposition towards immigrants.

Of all the books to read in the world, the Quran is not one of my books of choice. I will not read it. If a book supports rape, I will not read it.

[Agent Steel]

Fewer topless French women is a political issue? :?:

Everyone is a foreigner if they travel outside their own native country. And still people travel.

This article seems to support someone who is anti-immigration. Well, that's too bad. Since the world began, people have been moving from place to place. It's natural and inevitable even if the government tries to restrict immigration.

Rape cannot necessarily be blamed on foreigners. Sometimes, women are raped by their own family members. The media loves to blame outsiders because it sounds more sensational or wild.

You're more concerned for the welfare of immigrants than you are for victims of rape? As a woman yourself that is gravely disappointing.

Are you a liberal? You sound like a liberal. Sounds like you need to get your priorities straight. The welfare of native citizens has to come before immigrants.

[MistyTiger]

You're more concerned for the welfare of immigrants than you are for victims of rape? As a woman yourself that is gravely disappointing.

Are you a liberal? You sound like a liberal. Sounds like you need to get your priorities straight. The welfare of native citizens has to come before immigrants.

Welfare of native citizens? Then why do Indian reservations exist? Those are basically prison camps to hold Native Americans away from their own lands. Settlers from England came and Natives were killed, massacred, raped...nations destroyed because of land, greed and money. Natives are still angry about this and they should be. They were terrorized and abused, fooled, tricked, cheated out of their land. If you study the history of North America, you learn this.

In Canada, Natives are being pressured to assimilate and only speak English. They must forget their own Native languages. Languages are being lost.

This happens in Australia too with the Aborigines. They are pressured to conform. There are documentaries about lost cultures.

So don't argue with me about being in support of immigrants. I'm not always supportive. I dislike generalizations.

As a woman, I don't consider it worthwhile to discuss why it's such a bad thing that there are fewer topless women at beaches. If you like breasts, go look at cow udders or get those nude bronze or marble statues for your living room. Statues are more perfect than most people.

Puffer has a fascination with rape, did you know that? Just check his posts. He manages to find controversial articles and suffering is required in the article.

BTW, You're probably an immigrant yourself. You're welcome.

[Agent Steel]

Why do Indian reservations exist? Because they deserve to have land that is their own. Why shouldn't they?

I'm not really connecting with most of what you said, you're a little all over the place. I'm not sure where you stand.

I have noticed Puffer taking an apologetic view about rape in other posts, but in this case he seems to be taking a stance against it by highlighting one of the problems that causes rape.

Rape is a much worse crime than strong border security.

The question posed by Puffer was "Is liberal immigration policy worth all these women being victimised?", and this is the question you should address. My answer to his question is hell fucking no. It is absolutely not worth allowing foreigners into your country when they are committing a disproportionate amount of heinous crimes.

[MistyTiger]

Why do Indian reservations exist? Because they deserve to have land that is their own. Why shouldn't they?

I'm not really connecting with most of what you said, you're a little all over the place. I'm not sure where you stand.

I have noticed Puffer taking an apologetic view about rape in other posts, but in this case he seems to be taking a stance against it by highlighting one of the problems that causes rape.

Rape is a much worse crime than strong border security.

The question posed by Puffer was "Is liberal immigration policy worth all these women being victimised?", and this is the question you should address. My answer to his question is hell fucking no. It is absolutely not worth allowing foreigners into your country when they are committing a disproportionate amount of heinous crimes.

You cannot forbid foreigners from entering your country. That's not fair. Not every foreigner is a rapist. There is no way to screen out all the bad foreigners. There's no way to totally eliminate crime in any country. Criminologists and legal experts study why crime happens. There still is no foolproof method to discourage bad people from committing heinous crimes. The tendency starts in the mind. It's about the influences and the early education and experiences in people that determine personality and human behavior .

I detest articles that cite statistical percentages and then spin them so that they appear like facts, but statistics are NOT facts. Outsiders are not the problem. The problem is about mindsets. Why do strangers want to rape women? That's the question I consider. What are they thinking? Do they see these women as sex toys or sexual objects and why?

I sympathize with these women. They live in fear. I wish someday, we find ways to reduce sexual crimes. I have been around men who made me feel uneasy, like creeped out. I know men can be ugly inside.

Also, Indian reservations are not the best places to live. From what little I know, they seem like ghettos. I once lived in a town where there was a reservation. I saw a few Natives. They didn't seem happy. I even saw one at a store with a gold collar and long, flowing hair. He looked regal and unhappy, stoic. I don't recall hearing him say a word to anyone.

How many of us are natives to the land in which we live? You said to protect the native inhabitants. No. The government doesn't necessarily protect native inhabitants. Natives were pushed to reservations by the government. If you've heard of the Trail of Tears, the Natives were forced to leave their homes and they traveled that trail and cried a lot.

[Agent Steel]

@MistyTiger Not fair to forbid foreigners from entering your country? Can you name a single nation that doesn't try to do this to some extent? All nations try to secure their borders. It's just common sense.

The underlying problem here, as I see it anyway, is that the white countries of the Earth seem to be uniquely and oddly generous about catering to foreigners. Liberal policies in western Europe, as we see for example here in France, are causing the destruction and rape of the native people. And you yourself can understand why that is not ok, since you brought up the white settlers who wrongfully mistreated the native americans. If that's immoral, then why is this ok? Do two wrongs make a right? Is this payback to Europe for history?

[Skynet]

Europe has easy laws for rapists and pedophiles... In Europe they want to resocialize everyone but this are brutal monsters who should get lifesentences.

[MistyTiger]

@MistyTiger Not fair to forbid foreigners from entering your country? Can you name a single nation that doesn't try to do this to some extent? All nations try to secure their borders. It's just common sense.

The underlying problem here, as I see it anyway, is that the white countries of the Earth seem to be uniquely and oddly generous about catering to foreigners. Liberal policies in western Europe, as we see for example here in France, are causing the destruction and rape of the native people. And you yourself can understand why that is not ok, since you brought up the white settlers who wrongfully mistreated the native americans. If that's immoral, then why is this ok? Do two wrongs make a right? Is this payback to Europe for history?

The problem is that some foreigners actually help the US economy. Who picks the food or does the janitorial work or landscaping? Some are migrant workers. Or the cooks in a Chinese restaurant? Foreigners. How about some doctors and scientists? Foreigners again. The US let a bunch of Filipino nurses immigrate in and they do better than Caucasian nurses and they accept lower pay. My sister used to visit a Filipino psychologist. She gets a lot of business in the surrounding area. A lot of people have mental issues. Lol.

For the above reasons, white countries cater to foreigners. Foreigners accept lower pay, complain less and in many cases...they actually produce more quality and create less waste. Waste is in the sense of lean engineering which the Japanese developed back in the 80s.

[Agent Steel]

@MistyTiger Illegal immigrants create a net loss of income for the nation. Their presence does not help the economy.