[Bill_Nye]

This is is thread to discuss Project 2025 the Heritage Foundation's plan for America.

You can read about the project here:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/07/11/ ... explained/

Some bullet points for the recommendations in the article:

Changing how the FBI operates

Eliminating the Department of Education

Defunding the Department of Justice

Reversing Biden-era policies attempting to reduce climate change

Stopping cybersecurity efforts to combat mis- and disinformation

Changing immigration policies

Restricting access to abortion

Removing LGBTQ+ protections

Cutting ties completely with China

Reversing protections against discrimination in housing

And finally here is a copy of the report in full:

https://media.snopes.com/2024/06/2025_m ... ressed.pdf

[Hakeer]

Career civil service professionals will be replaced by inexperienced, incompetent Trump loyalists all the way down into the middle ranks of every federal agency. And then, the Trump Supreme Court — after getting rid of the Chevron 40-yr. precedent — will no longer defer to scientists at FDA, EPA, etc. What could possibly go wrong?

[Pewty]

The strange thing is, why aren't we seeing this on all channels, all the time?

If the Democrats want to win in November, it would seem that telling the average American what Project 2025 is going to do for them would go a long way towards reaching that goal.

Whoever the candidate is.

[Hakeer]

And don’t forget they will ban porn. It’s 50/50 whether Supreme Court goes along with this under First Amendment.

But also don’t forget Citizens United — money is speech and corporations are people.

[Skynet]

And don’t forget they will ban porn. It’s 50/50 whether Supreme Court goes along with this under First Amendment.

What is with Stormy Daniels... and China is porn also banned but this did not increase the birthrate.

Researchers at the University of Montreal were unable to carry out a study comparing the views of men who had never watched porn with those of regular users because they were unable to find a single man who hadn’t seen it!

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/0 ... 30349.html

40% of pornsite visitors are women.

[Rancid]

The strange thing is, why aren't we seeing this on all channels, all the time?

If the Democrats want to win in November, it would seem that telling the average American what Project 2025 is going to do for them would go a long way towards reaching that goal.

Whoever the candidate is.

The democrats have long history of being terrible at two things:

- Playing political hardball like Republicans do
- Communications

Democrats suck basically, but as of right now, they are far far less of a threat than Republicans.

Last, Americans are very entitled with their freedoms basically. They take everything they have for granted (education, clean air, clean water, etc.). I think something like Project 2025 has to be implemented for people to snap out of this entitlement. Hopefully, it's not too late when they do.

The thing is, even if Trump loses... even if Trump dies, this project 2025 becomes project 2029, then project 2033, so on, and so on.

[JohnRawls]

This is is thread to discuss Project 2025 the Heritage Foundation's plan for America.

You can read about the project here:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/07/11/ ... explained/

Some bullet points for the recommendations in the article:

Changing how the FBI operates

Eliminating the Department of Education

Defunding the Department of Justice

Reversing Biden-era policies attempting to reduce climate change

Stopping cybersecurity efforts to combat mis- and disinformation

Changing immigration policies

Restricting access to abortion

Removing LGBTQ+ protections

Cutting ties completely with China

Reversing protections against discrimination in housing

And finally here is a copy of the report in full:

https://media.snopes.com/2024/06/2025_m ... ressed.pdf

As said in the previous topic, it is weird that Conservatives seem to talk about the "Deep State" a lot but basically are the Deep State themselves by doing this. Which is a contradiction. Why is Trump/Republicans not campaigning on this? Why is it released in the last months of the election? Do the Republicans/Trump even have the mandate for this?

[Rancid]

As said in the previous topic, it is weird that Conservatives seem to talk about the "Deep State" a lot but basically are the Deep State themselves by doing this. Which is a contradiction. Why is Trump/Republicans not campaigning on this? Why is it released in the last months of the election? Do the Republicans/Trump even have the mandate for this?

This is been being discussed for a while now. A year-ish, easily. However, it's only now that it has hit the mainstream media.

As for why aren't they talking about it? Simple, they know it will make voters angry, so they want to sneak it in.

Yes, Republicans are the dipshits that want to create a deep state. Every accusation they make of others, is something they themselves are doing, or intend to do.

Anyone that supports this nonsense is a piece of shit.

[Pewty]

The democrats have long history of being terrible at two things:

- Playing political hardball like Republicans do
- Communications

Democrats suck basically, but as of right now, they are far far less of a threat than Republicans.

Last, Americans are very entitled with their freedoms basically. They take everything they have for granted (education, clean air, clean water, etc.). I think something like Project 2025 has to be implemented for people to snap out of this entitlement. Hopefully, it's not too late when they do.

The thing is, even if Trump loses... even if Trump dies, this project 2025 becomes project 2029, then project 2033, so on, and so on.

I think one of the reasons Trump is tolerated by non-Maga Republicans, even to the point of them bebasing themselves in front of him and his chuds, is that they know the writing is on the wall for their party. Why else would so many of them become such miserable cowards?

I don't think the Republicans will fairly win another Presidential election, and I don't think they will fairly hold a majority on either side of Congress again. If America can get over this Trump hump, and the next Government restore some sanity and dignity to the SCOTUS, there will either be a major shift to the centre in the GOP, relegating the Christian right and the general wingnuts (along with Project 2025) to the sidelines, or a new party will form for the centre right.

Then the Dems better watch out.

[Hakeer]

Trump said again today that he knows nothing about Project 25.

This article examines the close ties between Trump, Kevin Roberts, and the other Heritage people who wrote sections of Project 25, including the section on purging the civil service, and who were part of the first Trump administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... milarities

[Hakeer]

Trump said again today that he knows nothing about Project 25.

This article examines the close ties between Trump, Kevin Roberts, and the other Heritage people who wrote sections of Project 25, including the section on purging the civil service, and who were part of the first Trump administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... milarities

Agenda 47 includes much of Project 25, so there should be no doubt about the policy goals of Trump 2.0.

[Rancid]

If America can get over this Trump hump, and the next Government restore some sanity and dignity to the SCOTUS, there will either be a major shift to the centre in the GOP, relegating the Christian right and the general wingnuts (along with Project 2025) to the sidelines, or a new party will form for the centre right.

This is basically what I hope happens.

[Rancid]

Trump said again today that he knows nothing about Project 25.

How is it that people ignore the pattern of lie after lie after lie from Trump?

[Hakeer]

Well, not all people. There are two groups: (1) True believers in the cult who believe anything Trump says and (2) Republican politicians who know it’s BS, but they have no place else to go except out the door. Did you know that no former Republican president or vice president attended the convention? The Reagan/Bush wing of the party is dead, and Pence might have been hung if he showed up.

[Istanbuller]

Is it illegal for Republican Party push for its own agenda? Why do we have elections?

[Rancid]

Well, not all people. There are two groups: (1) True believers in the cult who believe anything Trump says and (2) Republican politicians who know it’s BS, but they have no place else to go except out the door. Did you know that no former Republican president or vice president attended the convention? The Reagan/Bush wing of the party is dead, and Pence might have been hung if he showed up.

The spinless pussies that know but are going along are far worse than the true believers.

Yes, the Trump wing of the Republican party has won the Republican civil war basically. The question is, what happens to the party when dear leader Trump is no longer with us? There will be a yet another civil war in that party.

It's not too different with how autocracies work. Basically, one of the advantages more democratic nations have, is the peaceful transfer of power. There is a continuity. However, in autocracies, usually when the head figure loses power, this is followed up by chaos, since various factions try to take control. The Republican party has set itself up for this beyond Trump.

This is all well and good that they are doing this to themselves, what isn't good, is that they are also trying to destroy this nation in the process.

[Hakeer]

Trump had 93 minutes to explain and endorse Agenda 47. Did he do that? No. He doesn’t want to own it publicly.

[wat0n]

Trump was quite explicitly against this Project 2025 thing too. But then again it may just be a ploy to be elected.

[Rancid]

Trump had 93 minutes to explain and endorse Agenda 47. Did he do that? No. He doesn’t want to own it publicly.

Trump was quite explicitly against this Project 2025 thing too. But then again it may just be a ploy to be elected.

Yes, that's what a snake does.

The guy has a history of lie after lie. Why should this be any different?

[wat0n]

Yes, that's what a snake does.

The guy has a history of lie after lie. Why should this be any different?

I don't think Trump wants Project 2025 but he isn't against it either. I think he doesn't give a shit about Project 2025, but will implement parts or all of it if it proves convenient.

It's similar to his stance on abortion, he's happy with Dobbs returning it to the states and doesn't want to do much more solely for electoral reasons. He doesn't give a shit about it personally.

It's just realpolitik.