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#15320422
I recently saw this news video.

The theme of the video is "International buyers are pulling back from U.S. housing".
They almost seem to be presenting the story as if the number of foreigners owning U.S. housing were decreasing, but if we actually pay attention to the details of the news article and give it some thought, that is not the case at all.
Rather, international buyers are just continuing to buy up more U.S. houses! Just at a slightly slower rate than in the previous couple of years.

This reminds me of how politicians phrase things when they claim to have "reduced the budget deficit" by 40%. Sure, but you're still adding onto the country's debt!

from the article:

"International buyers purchased 54,300 existing homes from April of last year (2023) to March of this year (2024).
It may sound like a lot, but that's a 36% drop from the year before.​

According the National Association of Realtors, this is the lowest level of international investment since NAR began tracking it in 2009."​

They present it as if it this were "international investment". International investment is usually thought of as good, of course. But is this truly "economic investment"? If foreigners are buying U.S. homes, is that really good for Americans and the U.S. economy?
I don't think it is.

Maybe if the foreigners were buying the newly constructed houses, that could fuel the construction sector, but I don't think that is mainly what is happening.
(And besides, in many of these high cost of living areas, construction of new tract homes is no longer a job Americans want to do; low-skill immigrants are being paid to build those homes, because what these construction laborers get paid is not enough to buy a house in that region of the country)

The news segment continues:

"The dollar volume, 42 billion, was also down 21% from the year before.

This as both the average and median purchase prices were the highest the NAR ever recorded for foreign buyers.
$780K Average, $475K Median "​

So likely one of the reasons foreigners may be beginning to pull back is U.S. home prices are continued to increase so high.

"The top buyers by volume were Canada (13%), China (11%), Mexico (11%), India (10%).

And they bought the most in Florida (20%), Texas (13%), California (13%), and Arizona (5%)."​

It should be pointed out that Florida, Texas, and California are the three main states that Americans have been wanting to move to the most. Housing prices have shot up over the last 25 years, and these three states all have housing affordability issues, due to the big population increases.

So foreigners seem to be buying up the most in the most desirable regions of the country, in the areas that have severe housing shortages.
With land being in limited supply in these areas, this seems to be more like a zero sum game, not beneficial to Americans.

"Chinese buyers spent the most money, that is, higher priced homes.

Now this report is only sales of existing homes and foreign buyers are big in the new development space, so that's not reflected here.

Realtors cite a strong U.S. dollar, as well as tight supply of U.S. homes for sale and high prices, as major hurdles to foreign buyers."​

So maybe if the U.S. had not run up huge budget deficits and had so much inflation, the U.S. dollar would be even stronger right now, and it would have discouraged foreigners from buying up so many U.S. homes.

Part of this has to do with trade deficits. The U.S. has imported a lot of things from Canada, China, and Mexico. Those countries are now flush with excess U.S. dollars, so what are those countries going to do with that money? Buy up U.S. housing.

Even if those people simply put their money in a bank, it would still be drawing interest from U.S. housing, indirectly.
Since the bank takes that money and lends it to U.S. home buyers, driving up the cost of U.S. homes. It's financially equivalent to the depositor owning equity in the U.S. housing market. The homebuyer has to pay interest on the mortgage, and that interest ends up going to the person with U.S. dollars in a bank account.

This is one of the main reasons why trade deficits are bad for the U.S.


Here's why international buyers are pulling way back from the U.S. housing market , Diana Olick, CNBC - Real Estate, July 17, 2024
Foreign Homebuyers Pull Back - CNBC


Is it really such a good thing for so many foreigners to be buying up U.S. homes when the U.S. has such a bad housing shortage and many Americans are unable to afford to buy a house?
That sounds like it is just going to exacerbate the situation in the U.S. and make it worse.


two related threads that might be of interest to this discussion:
US trading away their ASSETS (in Economics & Capitalism, 29 June 2020 )
Surplus of new homes, but still a shortage of older homes (2024) ( in Economics & Capitalism, 9 July 2024 )
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#15320423
New Zealand bans most foreign property buyers

I found this rather interesting and wondered how people would feel if their country (USA, Canada, UK) did this. They say they are doing this to keep prices from going higher because of foreign buyers.

" On Wednesday, Parliament passed a law that prohibits nonresident foreigners from buying houses and residential land. The law exempts foreigners with New Zealand residency and nationals from nearby Australia and Singapore. "If you've got the right to live in New Zealand permanently, you've got the right to buy here," said Minister for Economic Development and Trade, David Parker. "But otherwise it's not a right, it's a privilege. We believe it's the birthright of New Zealanders to buy homes in New Zealand in a market that is shaped by New Zealand buyers, not by international price pressures." "

New Zealand Bans Home Sales To Most Foreigners: 'It's Not A Right, It's A Privilege', by Colin Dwyer, NPR, August 15, 2018
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/15/63892239 ... -privilege


Kind of goes in line with what I've been saying about absentee land ownership and chronic long-term trade deficits resulting in these other foreign countries buying up our assets.

To be fair, I think this is a little bit of scapegoating, since foreign buyers haven't really pushed up property prices all that much in New Zealand, but then again New Zealand is also a pretty small country and it wouldn't be that difficult for market forces from another large country to come in and swoop it up. Maybe New Zealanders have looked over and watched what's been happening in major Australian cities like Sydney.
#15320455
Puffer Fish wrote: "International buyers purchased 54,300 existing homes from April of last year (2023) to March of this year (2024).
It may sound like a lot, but that's a 36% drop from the year before.​


Puffer Fish wrote:According the National Association of Realtors, this is the lowest level of international investment since NAR began tracking it in 2009."​


Puffer Fish wrote: So foreigners seem to be buying up the most in the most desirable regions of the country


Blackrock wrote: Blackrock owns 6.7% of American Homes for Rent, which owns 59,000 homes in the United States.

There are plenty of papers and stats that show from 300,000 to 500,000 homes are owned by large corporations.


CNBC wrote: Large institutions owned roughly 5% of the 14 million single-family rentals nationally in early 2022, according to analysts.

By 2030, the institutions may hold some 7.6 million homes, or more than 40% of all single-family rentals on the market, according to the 2022 forecast by MetLife Investment Management.


Sure, blame foreigners.
#15320649
Fasces wrote:Sure, blame foreigners.

That is one part of the equation. A significant, albeit perhaps not the largest part.

We could talk about immigration, but that would be a separate discussion topic. In this thread, we are focusing just on the issue of foreigners buying up American homes who did not earn that money while physically being in America.


Remember, we're not blaming the individual people themselves. (Waving the finger at a rich Chinese investor and calling them a "bad person" would probably accomplish absolutely nothing, anyway) We're discussing government policies.

In any case, typical factory wages in China are 4 or 5 times less than what they would be in the U.S., so we're not talking about the average Chinese person here.
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#15320994
Hakeer wrote:It’s not just happening in U.S. Have you been to Vancouver, Canada? The Chinese have made huge real estate purchases there, for example.

The Chinese are not allowed to privately own land in China (which is a major reason they have achieved the greatest economic miracle in the history of the world), and they are fully aware of what an exorbitant privilege it is, so they eagerly buy up land everywhere the privilege looks most secure. Canada has shown it is willing to sacrifice everyone and everything on the altar of landowner privilege.
#15320999
Truth To Power wrote:The Chinese are not allowed to privately own land in China (which is a major reason they have achieved the greatest economic miracle in the history of the world), and they are fully aware of what an exorbitant privilege it is, so they eagerly buy up land everywhere the privilege looks most secure. Canada has shown it is willing to sacrifice everyone and everything on the altar of landowner privilege.


My nephew lives in Toronto. The home prices are outrageous. That’s a byproduct of free market capitalism.
#15321006
Pants-of-dog wrote:So this thread is about how capitalism is working exactly as it is supposed to work.

Pretty much, yeah. Right wingers are gung ho for free markets, until it results in outcomes they don’t like. Then they start screaming for someone to do something…. :roll:
#15321014
Potemkin wrote:Pretty much, yeah. Right wingers are gung ho for free markets, until it results in outcomes they don’t like. Then they start screaming for someone to do something…. :roll:

This is true. Laissez-faire leaves any country open to foreign exploitation using capital investment to the detriment of the local population and industries. That's why certain regulations are good to have. China does it, and so should the US in this case if they care about their population. Any country would be foolish not to do it.

Obviously the people who benefit from open markets and deregulation want these things, and people who don't do not.
#15321186
Hakeer wrote:My nephew lives in Toronto. The home prices are outrageous. That’s a byproduct of free market capitalism.

It is a byproduct of capitalism -- specifically, landowner privilege -- but "free market capitalism" is an oxymoron because capitalism by definition requires private ownership of the means of production -- producer goods and natural resources -- and private ownership of natural resources forces everyone to subsidize the resource owners. Forced subsidies cannot exist in a free market. A market in which some people's rights to liberty are owned and bought and sold by other people is not a free market. It is a slave market.
#15321187
Potemkin wrote:Right wingers are gung ho for free markets, until it results in outcomes they don’t like. Then they start screaming for someone to do something…. :roll:

Right wingers do not like free markets. They just like to call privilege markets (i.e., slave markets) free markets.
#15321191
Truth To Power wrote:Right wingers do not like free markets. They just like to call privilege markets (i.e., slave markets) free markets.

Slave markets are free markets. For the slave owners.
#15321198
Truth To Power wrote:It is a byproduct of capitalism -- specifically, landowner privilege -- but "free market capitalism" is an oxymoron because capitalism by definition requires private ownership of the means of production -- producer goods and natural resources -- and private ownership of natural resources forces everyone to subsidize the resource owners. Forced subsidies cannot exist in a free market. A market in which some people's rights to liberty are owned and bought and sold by other people is not a free market. It is a slave market.


I meant free market in that anybody who has the money is free to buy property in Canada. If the government in Canada wanted, they could adopt the communist model.
#15321290
Hakeer wrote:I meant free market in that anybody who has the money is free to buy property in Canada.

That's not what a free market is. A free market is a market where transactions are all consensual.
If the government in Canada wanted, they could adopt the communist model.

But in fact, it has adopted the capitalist slave-market model, which is what attracts the funds of the greedy, privileged, parasitic rich.
#15321291
Potemkin wrote:Slave markets are free markets. For the slave owners.

A free market is a market in which all transactions are consensual. Slaves don't consent to the transaction that forcibly removes their rights to liberty and converts them into their owners' property.

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