[Truth To Power]

Eeehh it actually is, since both parties are consenting to role playing.

Read my original comment.

[Rich]

Do you similarly ascribe collective guilt to men in general for the crimes of any one of them? When a gangrape occurs, do you think to yourself, "Holy shit! What the fuck is it with men?"

Men, as always, are completely blameless here in the crimes of these men supported by millions of men.

Men bad because women made them do it!

Or maybe he has so many male followers because those shit-for-brains will follow any loser who tells them what they want to hear as they repeatedly and demonstrably do.

We have gone from one extreme to the other. We have gone from one double standard to its opposite.

In the past women were judged by a double standard. They were not considered full adults. They were not considered capable or competent to make decisions for themselves or others or to take positions of social or political leadership. Yet at the same women were loaded with original sin and women were given the lions share of responsibility for stopping immoral (immoral as seen at the time) sex for not allowing prostitution, other sex work, fornication or adultery.

This extreme double standard was displayed most vividly in the Yorkshire Ripper case. A case worthy of study to understand the dominant attitudes shared by so many men and women at the time, and how they have changed.

Early on in the Ripper case, many placed the real responsibility not with the killer but with the "bad women", with the prostitutes. Many of the police and the general public seemed to sympathise with the ripper seeing him on a heart felt if misguided moral crusade. But now we have gone to the other extreme, women are considered more adult than men, more responsible decision makers and leaders, yet no individual responsibility is expected from women what so ever.

It is said that behind every great man lies a great women. Well behind every convicted serial killer lies a multitude of would be female sexual partners. After his conviction the Yorkshire Ripper did not become "a loser" as the liberals and lefties say, he became a big time winner, with numerous would be girl friends and female pen pals. Some women even complained that the prison service did not protect them and allowed Suttcliffe to manipulate them. Having very belatedly put Suttcliffe in prison for life for thirteen murders and seven attempted murders, I think society has done its bit. I think at that point its the responsibility of individual women to work out that this guy can not be trusted.

This is what I mean by toxic femininity. If Adolph Hitler and Heinrich Himmlar had survived the war and spent the rest of their lives in prison, I guarantee you that there would have been a multitude of Jewish and Slav women that would have wanted to be their girl friends that would have wanted to have sex with them. Men are the way they are because women have selected them to be that way over hundreds of thousands of years. Women's toxic femininity has selected for toxic masculinity both genetically and socially. Even if the Tate brothers are convicted. Even if all their money and assets are seized. I guarantee you they won't lack for girl friends I guarantee you they won't be "losers".

[Saeko]

This is what I mean by toxic femininity. If Adolph Hitler and Heinrich Himmlar had survived the war and spent the rest of their lives in prison, I guarantee you that there would have been a multitude of Jewish and Slav women that would have wanted to be their girl friends that would have wanted to have sex with them.

So a man and all his beer hall buddies murdering 11 million people indicates nothing about the moral character of men in general, but if one or two women sleep with said man, then hurr durr "toxic femininity"?

Men are the way they are because women have selected them to be that way over hundreds of thousands of years. Women's toxic femininity has selected for toxic masculinity both genetically and socially. Even if the Tate brothers are convicted. Even if all their money and assets are seized. I guarantee you they won't lack for girl friends I guarantee you they won't be "losers".

You believe that in a world where women were regarded as property that they were free to choose their partners? Do you hear yourself?

[SpecialOlympian]

Makin' $#!+ up again...

Although choosing to hang out near Trump or Tate does not exactly inspire confidence in their judgement...

Your point is literally,

“If a sexual predator is successful, then the victim is at fault.”

That being able to commit a crime condemns the victim and not the perpetrator. Which is just advocating DARVO as some kind of Just Worlr moral philosophy.

[Potemkin]

Your point is literally,

“If a sexual predator is successful, then the victim is at fault.”

That being able to commit a crime condemns the victim and not the perpetrator. Which is just advocating DARVO as some kind of Just Worlr moral philosophy.

@Truth To Power is Old School, @SpecialOlympian. He grew up in a world where men were men, women were women, and the horses looked worried. And he’ll thank you to remember it.

[Rancid]

What's up with all the pofo men promoting such creepy ways of how the world should work?

[Saeko]

@Rancid I think pofo is actually a little unusual in how NOT creepy it is compared to other platforms.

[Truth To Power]

Your point is literally,

“If a sexual predator is successful, then the victim is at fault.”

No, that is literally just some $#!+ you made up.

That being able to commit a crime condemns the victim and not the perpetrator. Which is just advocating DARVO as some kind of Just Worlr moral philosophy.

Do you understand that there is a difference in moral responsibility for your misfortune between being on a bus that goes over a cliff and falling from a cliff that you chose to climb?

[Truth To Power]

You believe that in a world where women were regarded as property that they were free to choose their partners? Do you hear yourself?

For almost all of the relevant period, there was no such thing as property. And are you perhaps unaware of the fact that when women who do have a choice are ovulating, they tend to be more attracted to bigger, stronger, more dominant, aggressive, and "masculine-looking" men than when they are not ovulating?

[Pants-of-dog]

Studies showing the changes in attraction felt by ovulating women also show that said changes are short term and do not affect mating choices.

So if @Truth To Power is trying to use these studies as evidence that women choose to mate with masculine jerks, then he is misreading the studies.

[Saeko]

For almost all of the relevant period, there was no such thing as property.

Technically correct. Property was invented when men figured out that they could treat inanimate objects the same way as they treat women.

And are you perhaps unaware of the fact that when women who do have a choice are ovulating, they tend to be more attracted to bigger, stronger, more dominant, aggressive, and "masculine-looking" men than when they are not ovulating?

Women who are horny are more attracted to people who look like adults? I am shocked. Gobsmacked! Perhaps even... flabberghasted!

[Truth To Power]

Studies showing the changes in attraction felt by ovulating women also show that said changes are short term and do not affect mating choices.

I.e., they affect whom the women choose to be impregnated by -- as opposed to the beta losers they cuckold to get access to the resources they need to raise the offspring of the alpha hypermales they actually prefer, but can't have exclusive monogamous relationships with.

So if @Truth To Power is trying to use these studies as evidence that women choose to mate with masculine jerks, then he is misreading the studies.

Ah, no, you are. Women choose to mate with masculine jerks, but will condescend to exploit beta cucks in long-term relationships to get access to their resources.

[Truth To Power]

Technically correct. Property was invented when men figured out that they could treat inanimate objects the same way as they treat women.

How often does a man exchange women with another man?

Hello?

Women who are horny are more attracted to people who look like adults?

No, like testosterone-saturated hypermale cage fighters.

I am shocked. Gobsmacked! Perhaps even... flabberghasted!

No, merely deluded.

[Saeko]

I.e., they affect whom the women choose to be impregnated by -- as opposed to the beta losers they cuckold to get access to the resources they need to raise the offspring of the alpha hypermales they actually prefer, but can't have exclusive monogamous relationships with.

Ah, no, you are. Women choose to mate with masculine jerks, but will condescend to exploit beta cucks in long-term relationships to get access to their resources.

You are a clown. By your reasoning, all men are rapists because incidents of impregnation by rape are WAY higher than incidents of cuckoldry.

[Saeko]

:lol: How often does a man exchange women with another man?

Hello?

Quite often. Up until recently, it was considered perfectly normal for men to sell off their daughters to be married off to their friends.

[Truth To Power]

You are a clown.

<yawn>

By your reasoning, all men are rapists because incidents of impregnation by rape are WAY higher than incidents of cuckoldry.

Three false claims in one sentence. Nice going.

[Truth To Power]

Quite often.

Garbage.

Up until recently, it was considered perfectly normal for men to sell off their daughters to be married off to their friends.

That is not an exchange of women like exchange of property, and you know it; and furthermore, it was just as common for a girl's father to have to give a dowry to her prospective husband.

Your male-hating nonsense is laughable.

[Saeko]

<yawn>

Three false claims in one sentence. Nice going.

https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(96)70141-2/abstract

BJECTIVE: We attempted to determine the national rape-related pregnancy rate and provide descriptive characteristics of pregnancies that result from rape. STUDY DESIGN: A national probability sample of 4008 adult American women took part in a 3-year longitudinal survey that assessed the prevalence and incidence of rape and related physical and mental health outcomes. RESULTS: The national rape-related pregnancy rate is 5.0% per rape among victims of reproductive age (aged 12 to 45); among adult women an estimated 32,101 pregnancies result from rape each year. Among 34 cases of rape-related pregnancy, the majority occurred among adolescents and resulted from assault by a known, often related perpetrator. Only 11.7% of these victims received immediate medical attention after the assault, and 47.1% received no medical attention related to the rape. A total 32.4% of these victims did not discover they were pregnant until they had already entered the second trimester; 32.2% opted to keep the infant whereas 50% underwent abortion and 5.9% placed the infant for adoption; an additional 11.8% had spontaneous abortion. CONCLUSIONS: Rape-related pregnancy occurs with significant frequency. It is a cause of many unwanted pregnancies and is closely linked with family and domestic violence. As we address the epidemic of unintended pregnancies in the United States, greater attention and effort should be aimed at preventing and identifying unwanted pregnancies that result from sexual victimization. (Am J Obstet Gynecol 1996;175:320-5.)

@Truth To Power please explain to me the evolutionary advantages of raping one's own relatives.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2016/04 ... ng-humans/

Cuckoldry is incredibly rare among humans.

Ultimately, conclude the researchers, "the (potential) genetic benefits of extra pair children are unlikely to be offset by the (potential) costs of being caught, particularly in such a long-lived species as humans with heavy offspring dependence and massive parental investment." Basically, women aren't cheating because the costs are too great. Or, you know, it could just be that researchers have completely misunderstood the role of extra-marital sex in women's lives.

https://www.cell.com/pb-assets/journals ... ee2086.pdf

[Saeko]

Garbage.

That is not an exchange of women like exchange of property, and you know it;

How is the swapping of daughters for the purpose of fucking them not an exchange of women?

and furthermore, it was just as common for a girl's father to have to give a dowry to her prospective husband.

And? Do you know what dowries were for? They're for ensuring the bride and her kids would be taken care of in case of the husband's death. Of course they were given to her husband. BECAUSE WOMEN WEREN'T ALLOWED TO OWN ANY PROPERTY.

[Pants-of-dog]

I.e., they affect whom the women choose to be impregnated by -- as opposed to the beta losers they cuckold to get access to the resources they need to raise the offspring of the alpha hypermales they actually prefer, but can't have exclusive monogamous relationships with.

Ah, no, you are. Women choose to mate with masculine jerks, but will condescend to exploit beta cucks in long-term relationships to get access to their resources.

This sexist portrayal of women as lying sluts is not an argument.

It is, at best, classic misogynistic tropes dressed up as pseudoscience.

A more correct portrayal would be to say that women will be attracted to their mate for different reasons at different times of the month. Most of the time, they love the way their husband is a good father, kind, respectful. honest, and trusting. And when they are ovulating, these same ladies like how their husbands look without a shirt on.