[SpecialOlympian]

Statistically, younger people are having less sex from the beginning of the Millenial generation onward. Just do a google search, it will at least show that to be true in America.

Godstud, I've always liked you, but your thoughts have taken a weird rightward turn over the past couple years. And not like in a coherent, conservative worldview way. It's knee jerk. It's just dumb shit like defending a sex criminal who was basically so stupid he only got arrested because he kept publicly bragging that Romania was such a backward shithole he could do anything he wanted there without consequence. That in itself should tell you something about his character and propensity for sex crimes. And he might have been right, if he wasn't a loud mouthed moron.

Like he has admitted that he runs webcam services which were basically porn, but the real money came from having professional conversationalists bilk men in the EU out of money by pretending to be the web cam girls. That's just fucking dirty, regardless of how you view the success he gained by it.

Getting back to my original point, and I say this with sincerity, you need to go to a doctor and see if at your age (I would assume 50+) you are suffering mini strokes. These are known to cause right wing tendencies and the sudden onset of admiration for self-professed conmen to emerge in later age.

[SpecialOlympian]

Being willing to be sexually assaulted is pretty close to being attracted.

No one is willing to be sexually assaulted.

I want to point out that Saeko was the only one willing to say this in response to a really fucked up man-o-sphere carnivore diet; I don't touch CVS receipts because the ink contains estrogen; podcast bro comment. Truth To Power said some really fucked up shit.

Like, on the level of, "That woman was wearing a dress, of course she wanted me to grab her ass," kind of shit.

No, girls' self-esteem only plummets when they reach puberty. It's biological.

I'm going to give you one guess why pre and post pubescent girls feel awkward and less confident around you, and what the constant in this situation is.

[Rich]

Statistically, younger people are having less sex from the beginning of the Millenial generation onward. Just do a google search, it will at least show that to be true in America.

Godstud, I've always liked you, but your thoughts have taken a weird rightward turn over the past couple years. And not like in a coherent, conservative worldview way. It's knee jerk. It's just dumb shit like defending a sex criminal who was basically so stupid he only got arrested because he kept publicly bragging that Romania was such a backward shithole he could do anything he wanted there without consequence. That in itself should tell you something about his character and propensity for sex crimes. And he might have been right, if he wasn't a loud mouthed moron.

Like he has admitted that he runs webcam services which were basically porn, but the real money came from having professional conversationalists bilk men in the EU out of money by pretending to be the web cam girls. That's just fucking dirty, regardless of how you view the success he gained by it.

I haven't spent much time studding Andrew Tate, but your analysis here doesn't seem far off the mark. If you had stopped your post here I would have given it a Like.

Getting back to my original point, and I say this with sincerity, you need to go to a doctor and see if at your age (I would assume 50+) you are suffering mini strokes. These are known to cause right wing tendencies and the sudden onset of admiration for self-professed conmen to emerge in later age.

I guess asking you to give up making such insults would be as stupid as asking Trump or even Andrew Tate. Anyway stripping away the superfluous insults, you seem to be accusing @Godstud of ideological contradiction or even incoherence. The world is changing and people throughout the political spectrum are trying to deal with that change. Conservatism is the West was based on Christianity, the demise of Christianity has left conservatism all at sea. It doesn't know what it stands for.

However there are many that considered themselves social liberals that are breaking right from the new Liberal establishment. In the case of myself I would say I wasn't just a social liberal but a social hard-liberal.

[Godstud]

@SpecialOlympian Accusations don't mean much where there isn't substance behind them. Many of the accusations were refuted by the very women they sought as witnesses. I suppose you still believe Amber Heard and "Believe all women"?

If I seem right-wing, then it's only because you've gone so far left that you've radicalized yourself. The only view I have really changed in the last few years is my view on abortion and "systemic racism", which I now realize(looking at facts) isn't a thing. Yes, I stepped out of the echo chamber and did some critical thinking. You should try it some time.

I happen to know a great deal about Romania as I have family living there. I speak to them daily. It's not some "backward shithole" as you probably learned in 'Looney Left-wing Rhetoric and Propaganda 101', and Tate has never said that. You really show your ignorance here. It's a lovely country where traditional values still mostly are dominant. The people there like it that way, as well.

[Truth To Power]

Truth To Power said some really fucked up shit.

Like, on the level of, "That woman was wearing a dress, of course she wanted me to grab her ass," kind of shit.

Just can't help makin' $#!+ up, can you?

I'm going to give you one guess why pre and post pubescent girls feel awkward and less confident around you, and what the constant in this situation is.

I'm going to give you one guess whether psychology researchers wait until I'm there before measuring girls' self-esteem.

[Pants-of-dog]

As a father of daughters, I have noticed that the lascivious staring, comments and creepiness of a certain segment of middle aged men happens most often when young girls are on the onset of puberty. Twelve or so.

This may have something to do with a drop in self esteem.

[Unthinking Majority]

@Unthinking Majority He's talking about promiscuity and simply being addicted to sex, as many younger people are. That's why such things as OnlyFans can exist.

But hey, demonize all you want. It means nothing. Tate is as guilty of the charges against as much as Johnny Depp was. They just want him to be quiet since it hurts the modern narrative, and anti-family messages that are rife across the internet.

Tate pimped out women on Onlyfans, he's a hypocrite.

[wat0n]

As a father of daughters, I have noticed that the lascivious staring, comments and creepiness of a certain segment of middle aged men happens most often when young girls are on the onset of puberty. Twelve or so.

This may have something to do with a drop in self esteem.

Takes one to know one, huh?

[Truth To Power]

As a father of daughters, I have noticed that the lascivious staring, comments and creepiness of a certain segment of middle aged men happens most often when young girls are on the onset of puberty. Twelve or so.

I am also a father of daughters, and it was by no means just a segment of middle aged men. If anything, they tended to be a little more discreet than the young guys in their teens and twenties.

This may have something to do with a drop in self esteem.

Nah, it's hormones.

[Pants-of-dog]

and it was by no means just a segment of middle aged men. If anything, they tended to be a little more discreet than the young guys in their teens and twenties.

This is contradictory to what I have observed. Young men do not know if they can get away with it while middle aged men know they can,

Nah, it's hormones.

Provide a link and a quote from a peer reviewed study showing a causal relationship between puberty hormones and a drop in self esteem.

Thanks.

[wat0n]

So do you have your own peer reviewed papers to sustain your claims @Pants-of-dog or my comment stands?

[Truth To Power]

This is contradictory to what I have observed. Young men do not know if they can get away with it while middle aged men know they can,

The young men care less if they can get away with it.

Provide a link and a quote from a peer reviewed study showing a causal relationship between puberty hormones and a drop in self esteem.

"Internalizing disorders are known to be associated specifically with pubertal processes rather than with age, suggesting that the relationship is not due solely to psychosocial factors common to individuals at a chronologically-defined stage of adolescence.(25,26) These biological risk factors play out differently for girls and boys.(18,27–29) For example, in girls, earlier pubertal timing and more rapid pubertal tempo (relative to same-age, same-sex peers) is associated with higher rates of depressive disorders in particular, as well as substance use disorders, eating disorders, and antisocial behavior.(30–32)"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8494463/

[Godstud]

Tate pimped out women on Onlyfans, he's a hypocrite.

Women chose to engage in that for money. Give women agency, but not too much or they could get themselves into trouble? These are adults. These adults make poor choices and Tate is a handy scapegoat, as many of his views on male empowerment are unpopular amongst Feminist MSM.

That said, I know Tate's a hypocrite on some of the things he says(primarily about promiscuity), but I also find most people are hypocrites when it comes down to it. I see it on Pofo, daily.

The young men care less if they can get away with it.

You have a distorted and Feminist perspective.

Only a tiny percentage of people have mental disorders. You probably have one, which is why you think this way about middle-aged men. Get help.

[Pants-of-dog]

The young men care less if they can get away with it.

No, this is contradicted by your own claim that puberty and hormonal changes create a drop in self esteem. If that were true, young men would be less confident they can get away with it and more anxious about the consequences.

"Internalizing disorders are known to be associated specifically with pubertal processes rather than with age, suggesting that the relationship is not due solely to psychosocial factors common to individuals at a chronologically-defined stage of adolescence.(25,26) These biological risk factors play out differently for girls and boys.(18,27–29) For example, in girls, earlier pubertal timing and more rapid pubertal tempo (relative to same-age, same-sex peers) is associated with higher rates of depressive disorders in particular, as well as substance use disorders, eating disorders, and antisocial behavior.(30–32)"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8494463/

So you found a study showing a causal link in puberty and mental health problems that then have a later effect on self esteem.

This does not show a causal link between puberty and a drop in self esteem, for the majority of pubescent females since the majority do not suffer from depression, anxiety, and self harm.

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@Godstud is not quoting me correctly.

[Unthinking Majority]

Women chose to engage in that for money. Give women agency, but not too much or they could get themselves into trouble? These are adults. These adults make poor choices and Tate is a handy scapegoat, as many of his views on male empowerment are unpopular amongst Feminist MSM.

That said, I know Tate's a hypocrite on some of the things he says(primarily about promiscuity), but I also find most people are hypocrites when it comes down to it. I see it on Pofo, daily.

He just says this stuff to make money. He pimps out ladies on Onlyfans to make money. He's an insecure loser masquerading as a tough guy.

[Godstud]

@Unthinking Majority Well, this shows how much you know about OnlyFans, where over 90% of women on OF make about $180/mo. This isn't a money-making thing and so it demonstrates how faulty this view actually is, when you add in reality.

Andrew Tate made his money from a variety of sources, including: His professional kickboxing career, during which he won multiple world championships. His various businesses, such as his online courses, casinos, and webcam business. His social media presence, where he has millions of followers. - None of these, incidentally, are illegal, and that's why he isn't in jail, despite people trying to put him there for viewing modern Feminism as toxic and calling for male empowerment. He is a handy scapegoat for the left-wingers since he is controversial. He supports a nuclear family and that goes against the Left who want to dismantle the family unit.

[Truth To Power]

No, this is contradicted by your own claim that puberty and hormonal changes create a drop in self esteem. If that were true, young men would be less confident they can get away with it and more anxious about the consequences.

No, your comment merely proves that you do not know anything about biology, science, or logic, and almost certainly never will. My objectively correct statement was that the hormonal changes associated with puberty caused girls' self-esteem to decline, not boys'. That's because unlike you, I am willing to know the fact that puberty causes entirely different hormonal changes in boys and girls. Maybe if you had ever been a father of boys, as I have, and not just of girls, you could have found a willingness to know that fact. But I doubt it. My lengthy experience with you on this forum shows that you are never, ever willing to know any fact if it proves that your beliefs are false.

So you found a study showing a causal link in puberty and mental health problems that then have a later effect on self esteem.

I.e., the quote and link that you asked for. Inevitably, you will now claim that it does not say what it clearly does say:

This does not show a causal link between puberty and a drop in self esteem, for the majority of pubescent females since the majority do not suffer from depression, anxiety, and self harm.

See? You are falsely, absurdly, and disingenuously claiming that because a statistical relationship is not as certain as a logical entailment, it does not exist.

What a complete waste of time, electricity, and food you are.

[SpecialOlympian]

I don't know how this is a discussion. Andrew Tate is borderline homosexual in his disdain for women. And the people defending a person they have zero stake in defending are all like, "Yeah it's really cool to hate women."

What the fuck is wrong with everyone here. He openly bragged so hard that he could abuse women in a third world country to the point where they prosecuted him out of embarrassment.

Just think about how hard you have to hate women to make the Romanian government press charges against you.

[Pants-of-dog]

My objectively correct statement was that the hormonal changes associated with puberty caused girls' self-esteem to decline, not boys'.

Your own evidence indicates that this is not exclusive to young females.

And you completely ignore the fact that your evidence looks at causes of mental health disorders that lead to self esteem loss, and can therefore not be applied to all the neurotypical girls out there.

[SpecialOlympian]

Just so you know what's going on, Saeko (the only woman in this thread), correctly called out someone for saying sometimes you dress to be sexually assaulted.