Wandering the information superhighway, he came upon the last refuge of civilization, PoFo, the only forum on the internet ...
ahab wrote:I think racism would be destroyed before capitalism. Yes there are a few capitalists who encourage racism (Henry Ford for one) but they are few and far between, I can't name one right now. Saying that capitalism as a whole encourages it is a big step. Give it time, eventually there will be enough mixing of the races that there won't be much difference between everone's race. Might be 300 years, but it will probably happen.
actually... looking at the animal world there are examples of racism there (sheep for one) it isn't a human creation
You yourself have adopted a racist position when you talk about "right of races to self-determination". Stalin didn't approve such slogans, slogans that are pure racism.
Races do exist, but they don't matter socially.
Races aren't some groups of people that could have some "right to self-determination".
People of different races are nothing but people looking different.
When evolution led to the birth of homo sapiens, the appearing of races was nothing but the last step of evolution; superficial accommodation to different climates.
It's different than when you talk of nations. Nations are a product of society, they really have an objective social significance. Thus it is justified to defend the right of nations to self-determination. That is not nationalism, because nations have an objective historical meaning. To accept that is a prerequisite to internationalism. To say that nations are sacred or that the boundaries between nations should be conserved forever, would be nationalism.
You are saying that races had objective significance, not just that created artificially or by prejudices. You say how you "respect" this or that race, like they were some collective groups of people. That is racism.
Racism can be eliminated without the elimination of races.
And it shouldn't bother us if the races eventually get mixed and disappear.
Altough I must admit I like how the people on this world vary on appearance, that is just an esthetical attitude and I try not to let it affect my behavior or my attitude towards racism.
Proposing the conserving of races, ie. preventing people of different race from mixing, is a form of racism too.
Ixa wrote:Race is a fact of nature. Racism, however, is a capitalist creation. It is profitable to the capitalist devils because it keeps the proletariat disunited, and thus conduces to keeping them in power. To unite, and to establish the dictatorship of the proletariat (a sacred thing), we must eliminate racism, we must eliminate differences, we must be equals, we must be the same, we must not have diversity, rather like those most admirable creatures which I like to call "Little Jesuses", i.e. ants. But we are not the same! and, unless we do something about it, we will have this disease called diversity invariably! Consequently, there are only three options: we must mix every race together, to be equal; we must separate each race, and permit each race to have the human right of self-determination, a human right of which great comrade Stalin himself approved; or we must destroy all but once race. But who wants to do the the last option. Not many people. What, then, is the best option? What must we do to destroy racism (and the capitalist devils therewith)?
If you are a true capitalist and own a sports team you hire the best players regardless of color. Capitalism is color blind. That is why the NBA is 90% black and the NFL 70%.
Julian658 wrote:If you are a true capitalist and own a sports team you hire the best players regardless of color. Capitalism is color blind. That is why the NBA is 90% black and the NFL 70%.
Oh good grief not again!
For the last hundred years we've had to endure a cacophony of Anarchists, Trotskyists and other assorted leftists complaining that they are not true Communists. Its a bit like we have to endure, they are not true Christians or they are not true Muslims. I'm quite market orientated. I oppose minimum wage and a lot of employment and other regulations. But making a profit is not enough. We need our business people and managers to have some ethical concern,
beyond the profit line and their now and future pay packets. the system only works, if people try and act ethically beyond getting convicted of a crime, or being fined. We need people to act ethically even beyond the bare requirements of the law.
Now one can argue as to how well nineteenth century and early twentieth century Britain and America worked. But most certainly in as much as it did work it was based on a highly laissez-faire economics. It was based on a a highly liberal economic legal / regulatory framework. But it was also based on an extremely illiberal culture.
ckaihatsu wrote:Maybe this "ethical" concern, if it's to be more than just empty rhetoric and feelgood hand-waving, could manifest itself in the form of a higher minimum wage for workers.
So freedom of movement for capital, but not the same for workers. Check. Did Trump plagiarize you, or did you plagiarize Trump?
I want to see higher wages through the market, strengthening the bargaining power of labour in relation to capital.
Hence Reduce world population growth and immigration. I do not believe in the absolute moral basis of private capital. I support private capital ownership as a pragmatic choice. I support income redistribution to mitigate inequality. Andrew Yang would be my preferred choice for American President.
That's an interesting question. I used to think what I said on PoFo didn't matter. I first became suspicious that, that might not be the case when I heard this UKIP politician talking about the effects of the Black Death and population reduction that it caused. I'm pretty certain this argument came from me. It was just too specific in its echoes of what I had said on Pofo. Then more recently I heard this American Senator (might have been a House member) talking about how we are all the result of countless rapes in our biological lineage. Again this was just to similar to things i had said on Pofo, that I had never heard or read anyone else saying.
Now this probably was coincidence, but it was strange how Trump recognised the annexation of the Golan, shortly after I started pushing for recognition of Israeli sovereignty over the Golan heights on PoFo. I doubt Trump reads PoFo and as I said it was probably just coincidence, but it surely must be possible that someone who has influence with Trump reads Pofo and put the idea into Trump's head.
As to economics though, Trump is a long standing mercantilist, while I have been a long standing free trader. So there are many differences in outlook between me and Trump.
ckaihatsu wrote:So this means that you're all for rank-and-file workers and labor unions being able to organize, correct -- ?
How would 'income redistribution' be done, exactly? As things are now income redistribution happens with 'quantitative easing', supplying public funds to the markets (banks), for the sake of keeping capitalism alive.
There's nothing currently 'wrong' with the world's human population. You're sounding like a Malthusian.
You're showing a preference for political Zionism, which is contrary to your repeated 'laissez faire' pronouncements.
Sivad wrote:did you know that white terror has risen 320% in the last four years? it's true. it went from 20 deaths a year worldwide to 77 deaths worldwide. If it continues at this rate it will overtake bee stings as the largest cause of freak occurrence fluke deaths in less than a century.
now I'm not saying we should panic but it is pretty terrifying and I am starting to panic a little. I hope the government saves us, the prog woketards think we should massively expand the police state to meet this terrifying threat and I'm inclined to agree. I did get a little confused as to why those who purport to be leftists would be so eager to give more power to reactionary law enforcement entities but there's no time for that because the threat is real and we have to act!
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