- 18 Sep 2020 10:29
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Here are some points for you regarding this Igor:
1) Covid as an example. There has been almost no new data since they shut down their posts in march this year. Literally all other places in the world are still having Ups and Downs etc while only China, a country with the largest population in the world and not being so developed on the per capita basis for some reason says it is all okay. Also add here that they have acted like clowns when it all started.
2) The economic data do not contract in China and there have been studies on this. Basically the end idea of those studies is that even Chinese aknowledged that their own local "governors" rig the data to a certain degree not to get fired or demoted.
3) If you look at the "common" people perspective on youtube lets say from the ones that are available in English. Lets say ADVChina or serpenza or others. They all continue saying the same thing. The economic situation is a lie right now. It has been improving since the 90s sure but from 2008 it only has gotten worse. Larger unemployment, larger prosecutions, no functioning legal systems especially for non-Chinese born, discrimination, Xi era of opressivness etc
4) Historically every country will run in to the problem of the middle income gap as they are developing. The only way it has been solved up to date is by liberalising the economy, opening it up to the external market(inner market) and going the general liberal democratic route regarding political freedoms and so on. There is one exception of Singapoure for this. (They are only on paper democratic). China has not opened its own market and has no real liberal democratic freedoms. So the chance of them improving beyond what they have right now in to a classical high wage/high developed country is very unlikely.
There is much more that I can write on this. But let us see what your response will be.
I do not think that any nation is hopeless to change; however, I think that some nations do require a lot more effort than others to become changed. - Verv
Igor Antunov wrote:Lol, if chinese economy (only major economy still growing) imploded, then the west died decades ago.
Here are some points for you regarding this Igor:
1) Covid as an example. There has been almost no new data since they shut down their posts in march this year. Literally all other places in the world are still having Ups and Downs etc while only China, a country with the largest population in the world and not being so developed on the per capita basis for some reason says it is all okay. Also add here that they have acted like clowns when it all started.
2) The economic data do not contract in China and there have been studies on this. Basically the end idea of those studies is that even Chinese aknowledged that their own local "governors" rig the data to a certain degree not to get fired or demoted.
3) If you look at the "common" people perspective on youtube lets say from the ones that are available in English. Lets say ADVChina or serpenza or others. They all continue saying the same thing. The economic situation is a lie right now. It has been improving since the 90s sure but from 2008 it only has gotten worse. Larger unemployment, larger prosecutions, no functioning legal systems especially for non-Chinese born, discrimination, Xi era of opressivness etc
4) Historically every country will run in to the problem of the middle income gap as they are developing. The only way it has been solved up to date is by liberalising the economy, opening it up to the external market(inner market) and going the general liberal democratic route regarding political freedoms and so on. There is one exception of Singapoure for this. (They are only on paper democratic). China has not opened its own market and has no real liberal democratic freedoms. So the chance of them improving beyond what they have right now in to a classical high wage/high developed country is very unlikely.
There is much more that I can write on this. But let us see what your response will be.
I do not think that any nation is hopeless to change; however, I think that some nations do require a lot more effort than others to become changed. - Verv