- 10 Aug 2013 18:20
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Its arguable whether or not Stain or Mao actually killed more people then Hitler, esp. considering the fact that Nazi Germany was committing mass industrialized genocide on a European-wide scale and the death toll from the Final Solution would've been even greater had Nazi Germany won the war.
A convenient point often left unmentioned when one tries to claim that Nazi Germany "onlykilled X amount of people in death camps" and that Mao apparently killed "more people then Hitler and Stalin combined" or something of that nature which tends to ignore actual concrete conditions and/or facts.
Ya, your right on one point: the Czarist monarchy was ineffective and gave way to an equally ineffective Provisional Government in February 1917 which fell by October 1917 of the same year.
It's debatable as well whether or not the Russian (October) Revolution of 1817 initially gave way automatically to an authoritarian order complete with its own secret police (i..e. the Cheka). Revisionist historians such as Alexander Rabinowitch point to the decentralized nature of Bolshevik Party organizations in the months after Red October while the soviets were also decentralized whereas the Cheka was decentralized as well and rooted in local soviets and was controlled by multiple parties (Bolsheviks and Left Socialist-Revolutionaries directed the Cheka, which was spread out across local soviets on a district-by-district level while the organization itself was envisioned as a temporary organization against the very real threat of domestic and foreign counterrevolution)
The rise of fascism in Greece...blamed on the communists? First of all, Syriza as a political party has the potential to cast aside austerity and to actually build an economy geared towards ending unemployment and poverty which due to austerity have been compounded and thus we've seen the rise of fascism in Greece. (the same can be said of Germany under the Wiemar Republic, a country wracked by unemployment and poverty and inflation which sped up the rise of the National-Socialists)
Fascism is an outgrowth of a capitalism and bourgeois government in crisis, while socialism could potentially fight the conditions which give rise to fascism in a country such as Greece.
Again, its arguable whether or not there actually was a genocide in the Ukraine.
The Soviet Union was seeking to socialize the land through collectivization which hadn't been attempted before except through a few civil war-era attempts at collectivization.
And if I had a nickel for every time a Communist condemned fascism for its death-count whilst, simultaneously, praising a state with a far greater one of its own...
Its arguable whether or not Stain or Mao actually killed more people then Hitler, esp. considering the fact that Nazi Germany was committing mass industrialized genocide on a European-wide scale and the death toll from the Final Solution would've been even greater had Nazi Germany won the war.
A convenient point often left unmentioned when one tries to claim that Nazi Germany "onlykilled X amount of people in death camps" and that Mao apparently killed "more people then Hitler and Stalin combined" or something of that nature which tends to ignore actual concrete conditions and/or facts.
I could just as easily call Communism the result of Tsarist Monarchy not being able to rule in the old way. In that case one elite with its own secret police and a zero tolerance policy toward political dissent was replaced with another elite with its own secret police and a zero tolerance policy toward political dissent.
And, no, the rise of fascism in Greece can just as easily be blamed on the Communists as the Democrats; neither of those elements of providing the Greek people with what they really need (food).
Ya, your right on one point: the Czarist monarchy was ineffective and gave way to an equally ineffective Provisional Government in February 1917 which fell by October 1917 of the same year.
It's debatable as well whether or not the Russian (October) Revolution of 1817 initially gave way automatically to an authoritarian order complete with its own secret police (i..e. the Cheka). Revisionist historians such as Alexander Rabinowitch point to the decentralized nature of Bolshevik Party organizations in the months after Red October while the soviets were also decentralized whereas the Cheka was decentralized as well and rooted in local soviets and was controlled by multiple parties (Bolsheviks and Left Socialist-Revolutionaries directed the Cheka, which was spread out across local soviets on a district-by-district level while the organization itself was envisioned as a temporary organization against the very real threat of domestic and foreign counterrevolution)
The rise of fascism in Greece...blamed on the communists? First of all, Syriza as a political party has the potential to cast aside austerity and to actually build an economy geared towards ending unemployment and poverty which due to austerity have been compounded and thus we've seen the rise of fascism in Greece. (the same can be said of Germany under the Wiemar Republic, a country wracked by unemployment and poverty and inflation which sped up the rise of the National-Socialists)
Fascism is an outgrowth of a capitalism and bourgeois government in crisis, while socialism could potentially fight the conditions which give rise to fascism in a country such as Greece.
Can you argue that a campaign of genocide towards a particular national identity was not carried out?
Again, its arguable whether or not there actually was a genocide in the Ukraine.
The Soviet Union purposefully implemented inefficient and poorly thought-out agricultural techniques that went against the wishes of the Ukrainian people.
The Soviet Union was seeking to socialize the land through collectivization which hadn't been attempted before except through a few civil war-era attempts at collectivization.