- 25 Aug 2017 19:30
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The solution to 1984 is 1973!
Okay first off this isn't a thread for discussing whether or not Islam still represents a threat to Europe. This is for discussing what can be done about it, assuming it is. If you want to defend Islam as religion of peas or whatever else then that belongs in another thread, go make it. This thread is just about tactics.
To my mind the terrorist atrocities, despite the damage they do, are not the main threat but are rather more of surface symptom of the real threat which is demographic displacement which inevitably will lead to democratic displacement. Democratic displacement will result in Islamic Law, Islamic governance and the final triumph of Islam over European culture.
The Islamists can't touch us militarily; not since the fall of the Ottoman Empire have the Muslims represented a credible military threat to Europe. The technological advantage is ours by a long way. However our open systems of governance: democracy, ideas on freedom of religion, permissive border control and permissive welfare provision represent an nexus of exploitable weaknesses for them where we essentially end up feeding our own defeat. This is the substance of the modern threat Islam poses to Europe.
In the past, for example in the original Reconquista, measures against Islam were taken by making harsh actions against all that was not Catholic, which in the Spanish context mostly drives against the Muslim invaders but incidently also spilled over onto others. This was probably a workable tactic then but our modern situation can't be so crude. A more fine grained approach is needed which targets Islam directly without spilling over onto others. So rather than the promotion of a narrow not-Islamic state religion we should allow freedom of religion but only specifically proscribe this one problematic religion which is Islam.
The French have made of few moves in the right direction by trying to target with legislation certain Islamic practices like the headscarf, but really this is far too weak.
What else might be done?
To my mind the terrorist atrocities, despite the damage they do, are not the main threat but are rather more of surface symptom of the real threat which is demographic displacement which inevitably will lead to democratic displacement. Democratic displacement will result in Islamic Law, Islamic governance and the final triumph of Islam over European culture.
The Islamists can't touch us militarily; not since the fall of the Ottoman Empire have the Muslims represented a credible military threat to Europe. The technological advantage is ours by a long way. However our open systems of governance: democracy, ideas on freedom of religion, permissive border control and permissive welfare provision represent an nexus of exploitable weaknesses for them where we essentially end up feeding our own defeat. This is the substance of the modern threat Islam poses to Europe.
In the past, for example in the original Reconquista, measures against Islam were taken by making harsh actions against all that was not Catholic, which in the Spanish context mostly drives against the Muslim invaders but incidently also spilled over onto others. This was probably a workable tactic then but our modern situation can't be so crude. A more fine grained approach is needed which targets Islam directly without spilling over onto others. So rather than the promotion of a narrow not-Islamic state religion we should allow freedom of religion but only specifically proscribe this one problematic religion which is Islam.
The French have made of few moves in the right direction by trying to target with legislation certain Islamic practices like the headscarf, but really this is far too weak.
What else might be done?
The solution to 1984 is 1973!