Unthinking Majority wrote:"Sexist"? An abortion is not simply a "medical treatment". It's not like getting a wart removed. It's a medical procedure where the doctor kills a human life. The fact that men can't have babies is a biological reality nobody can control, that doesn't make it sexist. Are pregnancy tests and mammograms sexist?
What is sexist is the double standard where pregnant women are held to a different standard than anyone else.
Why should women have to pass your little test of moral responsibility but other people do not?
People who insist to always call the unborn baby a "fetus" and call abortions "medical treatments" or to deny that they are "people" until birth...it's all designed to de-humanize the unborn child, which then makes it morally acceptable to kill them. The Nazis dehumanized the Jews as "less than human" in order to make it morally acceptable in their minds to kill them, & slave owners & racists dehumanized african-americans to make slavery & Jim Crow morally acceptable.
Nobody says "Congrats you're having a fetus!". Or "well mom and dad, i've decided to keep the fetus!". Or "how's the fetus coming along?". Or "OMG, I had an affair & I'm pregnant with Jimmy's zygote!"
We're talking about human lives here for fucks sake!
Please note that my argument still stands even if we assume the fetus, or baby, has all the rights of a person, has full personhood, et cetera.
Killing a healthy unborn life that will turn into a fully developed human being just because it's inconvenient to carry a kid for 9 months, being too lazy to put it up for adoption if you don't want it (there's lots of gay couples etc who want to adopt etc), turning into a narcissistic selfish ass by proclaiming "by body by choice!", it's such immature BS. You made your bed, now lay in it. Don't make the baby pay for your bad decisions with it's life. When does THE BABY get consent in ANY of this, whether its created or destroyed?? Nobody gives a flying shit about the baby's life, it's all about the mother's inconvenience.
You seem to be saying that these women should act more responsibly and that limiting abortion will force them to be more responsible.
And the fact that a human life is at stake is only brought up in the context of forcing women to bring babies to term.
Because it is her responsibility, but it isn't the entirety of the argument. A gun owner is responsible for not shooting other people needlessly with his gun, a car owner is responsible for not running into pedestrians, but car and gun laws aren't simply tools to "teach responsibility", it's to protect innocent human lives.....LIKE A BABY!
Then why do we have laws that consider human lives to be less important than our right to do what we want with our bodies?
I've already shown how the organ donation comparison is illogical.
No, you have not.
Also, a person with healthy organs has no relationship or responsibility to a sick person, they didn't make them sick. On the other hand, a pregnant woman is fully responsible for the unborn child, and in fact her willful decisions/actions created its existence in the first place! Which she had informed consent before making that choice. See so I am pro-choice, i just think the choice comes before creating the human life.
And here you are again harping about making women more responsible.
This, combined with your disregard for the lives of babies in other contexts, is what makes people think these laws are about controlling women’s sex and not saving babies.
It's horribly immoral & cruel to create human beings and then kill them for literally any reason whatsoever just because you want sexy fun times without any repercussions. Sex feels good, but it's not simply a game for fun, it's not going to club dancing & getting drunk, sex is literally the biggest responsibility most any person will ever engage in throughout their lives, because we're talking about creating life and death here, this is the ability to play god. Evolution has even deemed it such because children are not mature enough to handle that responsibility of life and death & therefore cannot create life until puberty.
And we treat a mother's inconvenience as more important than the life of an unborn baby. Why do you literally give zero regard to the life of the unborn child? Is it ethical to abort the baby because "eww omg it's a girl, but i want a boy, kill it", because that's the policy we have now.
All these vegan social justice types are so morally upset if you kill an animal for food or milk a cow, but they support the killing of millions of unborn human lives & will even have THE NERVE to call you a women-hater if you disagree. The truth is they're hypocrites who act moral until they want to fuck without consequences, FULL STOP. Save the baby seals!!...Oh but bring out the Auschwitz ovens for the unborn kids. My body my choice to kill whatever humans I create WEEEEEEEEeeeeee!
Ok, so it is about responsibility.