Unthinking Majority wrote:. That's not a social net, it's just charity to people who don't even deserve it.
It's a foundation that incentivizes risk. How many innovators failed to do so because they were busy toiling to keep themselves fed and sheltered, paycheck to paycheck, and couldn't devote their energies to more meaningful work?
Unthinking Majority wrote:You said you're not a utopian but you want to live in a utopia.
I would like the world better than it was when I was born into it, sure. You seem content to wallow in the filth like a pig.
In this case, only a couple generations ago we were perfectly content with a social ideal where only slightly under half of adults worked at all. How quickly the new mindset becomes normalized.
Unthinking Majority wrote:Also, if you dislike working so much you probably need to find a better line of work.
If only there was a social support foundation that gave people the time to breath to find a better line of work without worrying about basic necessities in the meantime. 60% of adults live paycheck to paycheck, you think they can spend a few weeks not working to look for a job that suits them?
Unthinking Majority wrote:I guarantee that people needing to go to work 5 days a week and be a productive member of society is much more healthy than having an environment where anyone can sleep in until 11am and watch Netflix and browse their phones most of the day if they want.
You're revealing a lot about yourself, here. Even on weekends and holidays I tend to get up at 6-7am, cook breakfast for my family, water and prune the herb garden, feed/play with the cats, read a book, exercise etc. I got my Masters while working full time, working on weekends and holidays.
The only times I tend to sit on my phone are down time at work, or, at the end of a particularly busy day when I'm too mentally exhausted to do much else.
Unthinking Majority wrote:It's the way its been for every single animal species on the planet forever.
Most animals [and hunter gatherers] spend far more time not working than working. Go on a safari sometime, or next weekend, instead of scrolling on TikTok all day, go actually
look at a beehive.
Unthinking Majority wrote:Or work for yourself. You can be a social influencer and need no capital at all, along with many other jobs.
A social influencer still needs capital to not dehydrate, starve to death, or die of exposure in the January streets.
Creating your hypothetical world where people are truly free to pursue whatever vocation or hobby they like, can start businesses risk free, or are free to sign contracts with companies without coercion requires a lot of guardrails that provide for people's basic material necessities. The society I am describing has a lot more freedom for people than the one you are describing, despite your claims otherwise.
Do you truly believe that a the child of two rich parents has a lot less freedom in determining their life than the child of two poor immigrant parents? Or even the same?
What did the child do to earn that, by the way? You lot talk about meritocracy, and what people deserve, and hard work - but any attempt to try to give folks an equal playing field and you turn into Gollum clutching at your precioussss privledge.