Pants-of-dog wrote:Obviously, Israel is the colonizer.
I explained this by pointing out the power dynamic. You replied and everything.
And I said you're wrong. In particular, you are ignoring the fact that the power dynamic has not been constant throughout the conflict.
When Palestinians were powerful, before Israel's reestablishment, there were periodical massacres of the Jewish population, even before 19th-century nationalism like Zionism or Arab nationalism were a thing.
It's odd that you will go back centuries in other cases, but not when the Jewish victims don't live in in Europe or the Americas.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Yes, the IDF does provide explanations for why they shut down hospitals, kill reporters, and displace the majority of the population.
Like I said, I present facts, and then you provide justifications for those facts that preclude the possibility of genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Those explanations are also based on facts, including footage. Why are you ignoring those facts?
Pants-of-dog wrote:No. I understand that you believe you did.
Again, this is because you are viewing this through a paradigm that precludes any possibility of major wrongdoing on the part of the IDAf.
No, I did. Full stop.
This was confirmed by third parties who have documented the same.
But you don't like facts, because your position is not about facts. It's about paradigms.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Yea, and as I mentioned, Netanyahu is deliberately using this as a way to prolong military intervention and stopping any diplomatic or non-violent way of getting the hostages back.
He does not actually want the hostages back.
They are more useful as a causus belli.
Netanyahu offered a 2-month ceasefire, exchanging prisoners for hostages and a safe way out for Hamas' leadership in Gaza, and Hamas said no.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-rej ... -hostages/late wrote:I made an extremely simple point you want to avoid:
Israel has killed LOTS of foreign workers, far too many. Which leads to the blatantly obvious conclusion that everyone that has seen the pictures of Gaza already knows, the killing is indiscriminate.
This is not open to question, they've shot their own people wearing underwear and waving a white flag. They have been using 2,000 pound bombs that are designed to kill as many as possible.
Gaza is turning into a moonscape on the edge of starvation and plague. UN workers that spend their lives handling this sort of thing were shocked by the savagery and deprivation.
Your pissant denials only call more attention to the horror...
The complicity of UNRWA with Hamas is well known and documented, whether you like it or not.
An example, which is yet another case of Hamas using civilian infrastructure and civilians themselves for military ends:
JNS wrote:Rockets under relief supplies raise questions about UNRWA
Released hostages says UNRWA teacher held him captive.
(December 3, 2023 / JNS)
Israeli soldiers found missiles and military gear hidden among U.N. relief supplies in the northern Gaza Strip, the Israel Defense Forces said on Saturday.
One hundred ten rockets, including 30 Grad rockets, were found hidden among boxes belonging to the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which supports Palestinian refugees and their descendants, the IDF said.
Russian-made Grad rockets have a range of 12.5-25 miles.
The rockets were found inside a home in a densely populated area of northern Gaza.
In October, the UNRWA reported that fuel humanitarian aid was stolen from one of its compounds by men using trucks purporting to be from the Hamas-run Ministry of Health.
On Wednesday, one of the released hostages told Channel 13 reporter Almog Boker that he had been held captive by a UNRWA teacher. The hostage said the teacher locked him away and barely fed or cared for his medical treatment.
The UNRWA denied the accusation and asked Almog to provide further proof. Almog responded on X, formerly called Twitter, on Saturday, saying that revealing the identity of the freed hostage would endanger those still captive in Gaza.
“One of them testified he was held hostage and starved by an @UNRWA teacher. That’s not an ‘allegation’. That’s a survivor testimony, and more testimonies are coming,” Almog tweeted.
“While Hamas holds 136 Israeli hostages in Gaza, I can’t share information that could endanger them or identify the survivor. I hope UNRWA treats this more seriously than Hamas’s theft from its stocks and abuse of its civilian facilities for terror activity.”
In November, the U.K.-based Institute for Monitoring Peace and Cultural Tolerance in School Education (IMPACT-se) issued a report detailing how at least 14 UNRWA teachers celebrated Hamas’s Oct. 7 massacres of Israelis on social media. The report included links and screenshots.
The report also noted that the UNRWA curriculum helped fuel the massacre by noting that IMPACT-se was able to identify at least 118 participants in the Oct. 7 attack as former students of UNRWA schools.
The U.S. State Department allocated more than $220 million for UNRWA in June despite its schools’ curriculum glorifying violence and terrorism, as well as an agreement conditioning funding on the prevention of teaching hate and antisemitism.
And you still have nothing to say as to whether you consider Clinton's bombing of Serbian TV stations, killing civilians in the process, a crime or even just wrong.
Your issue, like with leftists in general, is not with verifiably wrongful
acts but with
who commits those acts and
who the victims of those acts are. These last few months have proven what anyone should have been able to tell in the last few years: Leftists don't actually have a problem with all sorts of crimes as long as those they support commit them and/or as long as they are bigoted against the victims.
It doesn't matter if it's the looting and ensuing ruin of affected small businesses in 2020, censorship of speech you don't like, racist stereotyping of Asians in college admissions or the murder, kidnapping or rape of civilians in Israel. Those get a pass, because the perpetrators are doing it for a cause you support and/or you think the victims had it coming.
And if/when the shoe is now on the other foot, you whine about it even though in the end you are just being treated with reciprocity.