[Sivad]

I think being a snitch was the last thing he had to worry about. The main worry would probably be him being a paedophile.

Depends who you're snitching on. If you're snitching on the establishment there is no pc anywhere that can keep you safe.

[blackjack21]

Fair enough. Yet another reason it would be easy to push him to take his own life.

Fair enough. Yet another reason it would be easy to push him to take his own life.

I think I was in my late 20s, maybe 30 when Ron Brown's plane went down. When I turned on the news, they said "it was a series of problems", and every news show echoed the same thing. I remember laughing at that and figured they took him out. I never doubted that he was killed, but I was never quite sure why they did though.

[blackjack21]

We're talking about a Mossad honeypot here. If you think they don't have dirt on the biggest pro-Zionist POTUS in history, you're just foolish.

They've already blown their biggest wads on Trump. Stormy Daniels, the playboy model, the NBC tape, etc. Even the cooked up Russiagate coup has failed. So at best, they could just blow more smoke.

If anything, this story has me speculating that Trump pushed the prosecution of Epstein as payback to the Clinton/DNC machine for Russiagate--and they just pulled the rug out from under him by icing Epstein.

Neither Trump nor Clinton had Epstein killed, someone else took care of him.

There's more than the Clintons that wanted him dead. George Mitchell and Bill Richardson were also implicated along with Prince Andrew. However, Code Rood is right that Epstein ran a huge Mossad honeypot op against US pols.

Epstein was killed by those he worked for, who are neither Trump nor Clinton.

Are you thinking of the 'M' word, Beren...?

There were definitely insiders, so it had to be a very professional hit.

Nobody gives a flying shit about Bill Clinton or Prince Andrew.

Their respective political factions care a lot, and they probably have a lot more to be concerned about than Bill Clinton or Prince Andrew. My theory is that Trump is furious about the phony Russiagate coup attempt and he wants payback. Trump was going to use Epstein as his bull, but they called in the matador to swoosh the muleta and dispatch Epstein. Good show.

It might all be nothing of course, I was only pointing out your pathetic Trumpster-hypocrisy.

I've never claimed Trump is pure as the wind-driven snow, but rather the deep state's efforts to play Beria have failed because Trump has been well ahead of them, and quite possibly because he's older now and simply more interested in grooming his children.

The courts unsealed Epstein documents and two prominent Democrats were named, one a former presidential candidate. Epstein gets offed the very next day and idiots on Twitter are posting #trumpbodycount LOL

It's a smokescreen. I was actually surprised to see George Mitchell on that list. He was a district court judge at one point too.

For the record, I don't think the Clintons had anything to do with it either.

No. However, many in the establishment were no doubt shitting their pants.

The Clintons are just the public face of a big machine, I doubt either of the Clintons have ever ordered a hit on anyone.

Right. Said machine probably ordered the hit on Seth Rich, though.

The Clintons are just the public face of a big machine, I doubt either of the Clintons have ever ordered a hit on anyone.

I'm sure he's dead. Dead men tell no tales.

Unless it was the Russians. I'm surprised they haven't been blamed yet.

Joe Scarborough already did. He used to be a good guy. I'll bet he's very well paid for this stuff.

Right-wing conspiracy theorists simply say the Clintons did it. A simple theory for simple minds, I guess.

The Clinton body count meme isn't viable for no reason. It's really bad luck to be too close to them.

What if he really did just commit suicide because he didn't want to carry the snitch label on the prison yard? :?:

Trafficking minors is a death sentence in the prison yard anyway. So his only hope was beating the charge.

The Clintons are one group amongst many who would want him silenced.

Yes. However, the dirt would come out on Bill Clinton, George Mitchell and Bill Richardson among others. They played pretty hard ball with Seth Rich and a few other DNC operatives in 2016. So it doesn't surprise me. Even Ann Coulter tweeted that he was likely going to die soon. Everybody knew this was coming.

The MCC is a DoJ facility and I'm sure a lot of DoJ deep staters didn't want him disclosing the real reasons for the sweetheart deal he got from DoJ. Everybody and their mother needed this guy dead.

That's another angle and motive. Everybody wanted him dead.

Fair enough. Yet another reason it would be easy to push him to take his own life.

Not that soon. The human mind would focus on hope. He beat the charges before, why not one more time?

I think I was in my late 20s, maybe 30 when Ron Brown's plane went down. When I turned on the news, they said "it was a series of problems", and every news show echoed the same thing. I remember laughing at that and figured they took him out. I never doubted that he was killed, but I was never quite sure why they did though.

[Sivad]

Not that soon. The human mind would focus on hope. He beat the charges before, why not one more time?

And who knows what cards he had left to play, after decades of globetrotting with the power elites I'm sure he knew where enough bodies were buried to get himself a halfway decent deal.

[Sivad]

Deposition: Underage Girls Were Present When Bill Clinton Visited Jeffrey Epstein’s Island

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has issued a mandate unsealing a huge cache of documents related to billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. The selection of documents, taken from Virginia Giuffre‘s defamation lawsuit against alleged Epstein enabler Ghislaine Maxwell, provides context to much of Epstein’s alleged crimes and widens the scope of elites that are believed to have run in Epstein’s circles.

In transcripts of Giuffre’s deposition released by the court Friday, Bill Clinton‘s relationship with Epstein is expounded upon. Giuffre alleges that Clinton was around when she was with Epstein on his island.

Giuffre claims that she “flew to the Caribbean” with Epstein when she was 17, and that while she was there, Maxwell bragged that she picked Clinton up in a “black helicopter that Jeffrey [Epstein] bought her.”

Giuffre further says that she had spent time with Clinton and that while his secret service agents were there, they weren’t “where [everyone] was eating.”

[...]

While the details of the alleged helicopter trip were, thus, unclear, Giuffre’s other statements in the deposition, if true, confirm Bill Clinton was on Jeffrey Epstein’s island while underage girls were present. This runs contradictory to Clinton’s claims that he has never been to Jeffrey Epstein’s private island.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/de ... ns-island/

[colliric]

Epstein, Weinstein and Weiner.....

What did they all have in common?













They're all friends with the Clinton Family....

Their direct cultural connection is irrelevant, that's just a funny coincidence.

I feel sorry for Epstein's family that he has killed himself as no doubt that will cause them grief, but yeah.

[Red_Army]

Epstein also has connections to the royal family, the Saudis, Israel, and many members of the Trump crew: including Barr, Acosta, Dershowitz, and of course Trump himaelf. Elements of every strata of the ruling class seems to be involved. The Clinton's are certainly deeply involved, but the right wing effort to make them out as the kingpins is cynical politicking and will ultimately let plenty of conservative "faves" get away with kid fucking because they also want to expand ICE or whatever.

[Saeko]

I feel sorry for Epstein's family that he has killed himself as no doubt that will cause them grief, but yeah.

There's no way they didn't know, and they're probably the ones who helped him off himself to protect his money.

[Rich]

Trafficking minors is a death sentence in the prison yard anyway. So his only hope was beating the charge.

Unless you're a Muslim, in the prison yard trafficking in Infidel minors is a mark of honour. Remember Abu Bakr, actually encouraged Mohamed to fuck his own 9 year old daughter, and was rewarded with the first caliphate for his "piety". Jihadists haven't taken over America's prisons yet, but its only a matter of time.

[Sivad]

Epstein also has connections to the royal family, the Saudis, Israel, and many members of the Trump crew: including Barr, Acosta, Dershowitz, and of course Trump himaelf. Elements of every strata of the ruling class seems to be involved. The Clinton's are certainly deeply involved, but the right wing effort to make them out as the kingpins is cynical politicking and will ultimately let plenty of conservative "faves" get away with kid fucking because they also want to expand ICE or whatever.

Conservatives do a lot of kid fucking. The Speaker of the House, Denny Hastert(R), fucked a bunch of kids when he was a wrestling coach, Republican Congressman Mark Foley was sexting underage boys who worked as congressional pages, and Republican Congressman Jim Kolbe had improper conduct with at least two youths, a 16-year-old page and a recently graduated page.

The REAL Hastert Scandal: Pedophilia, Drug Money and Blackmail

The scandal that recently enveloped speaker of the house Dennis Hastert, downplayed as a decades-old story, has already disappeared from the headlines. But a series of revelations from FBI whistleblowers reveal that this story is just the tip of a very seedy iceberg, one that implicates Hastert, his top aide, other Congress members and government officials in a criminal network involved in sexual intrigue, foreign espionage, blackmail, and drug money.

BFP Roundtable: Pedophiles Run the Government & No One Gives a Damn!

Published on Oct 22, 2015
Today on the BFP Roundtable James Corbett talks to Sibel Edmonds, Peter B. Collins and Wayne Madsen about the Hastert scandal and cover up, the history and context of this story, and the remarkable lack of public interest in the case.

[blackjack21]

Conservatives do a lot of kid fucking. The Speaker of the House, Denny Hastert(R), fucked a bunch of kids when he was a wrestling coach, Republican Congressman Mark Foley was sexting underage boys who worked as congressional pages, and Republican Congressman Jim Kolbe had improper conduct with at least two youths, a 16-year-old page and a recently graduated page.

BFP Roundtable: Pedophiles Run the Government & No One Gives a Damn!

I'm an equal opportunity destroyer. I have no problem tossing Republicans out of office, but I rarely buy retail explanations from the media. After the last 8 years of budget deals, and the phony ObamaCare repeal votes, I'm a little confused as to who the Republicans think they are, and who they think we think they are. I frankly see little difference from the Democrats until you get to AOC levels of crazy.

[Sivad]

Newsweek reported that Foley showed up at the congressional page dormitory after the 10 P.M. curfew, apparently drunk, and attempted to enter the building. He was reportedly turned away by a security guard.

[Ter]

So this fellow Epstein has about 550 million dollars to his name, owns a boeing, a yacht, mansions, islands, you name it, he owns it all. And he threw it all away for a couple of underage young pussies. Life and fortune destroyed. Tsk, tsk. Sad. Stupid.

[Sivad]

1989 NBC News: Call boys in Bush Sr's Whitehouse

One of the prostitutes was 15 years old:




Craig J. Spence (1941 – November 10, 1989) was a Republican lobbyist who was found dead in a Ritz-Carlton hotel room in 1989

Washington call-boy scandal

Spence's name came to national prominence in the aftermath of a June 28, 1989 article in the Washington Times identifying Spence as a customer of a homosexual escort service being investigated by the Secret Service, the District of Columbia Police and the United States Attorney's Office for suspected credit card fraud. The newspaper said he spent as much as $20,000 a month on the service. He had also been linked to a White House guard who has said he accepted an expensive watch from Mr. Spence and allowed him and friends to take late-night White House tours.[4]

Spence entered a downward spiral in the wake of the Washington Times exposé, increasingly involving himself with call boys and crack,[5] and culminating in his July 31, 1989 arrest at the Barbizon Hotel on East 63rd St in Manhattan for criminal possession of a firearm and criminal possession of cocaine.[6]

Months after the scandal had died down, and a few weeks before Spence was found in a room of the Boston Ritz-Carlton Hotel, he was asked who had given him the "key" to the White House. Michael Hedges and Jerry Seper of The Washington Times reported that "Mr. Spence hinted the tours were arranged by 'top level' persons", including Donald Gregg, national security adviser to Vice President George H. W. Bush at the time the tours were given.[5]

When pressed to identify who it was who got him inside the White House, Spence asked "Who was it who got [long-term CIA operative] Félix Rodríguez in to see Bush?", agreeing that he was alluding to Mr. Gregg.[5]

Gregg himself dismissed the allegation as "absolute bull", according to Hedges and Seper. "It disturbs me that he can reach a slimy hand out of the sewer to grab me by the ankle like this," he told the reporters. "The allegations are totally false."[5]

Death

On November 10, 1989 Spence was found dead in Room 429 of the Boston Ritz Carlton, the city's most expensive hotel. He was dressed in a tuxedo and had three dollars in his pocket. According to the police report, when found by hotel employees he was attired in the style he affected at his lavish dinner parties: "black Tux with white shirt, bow tie, white suspenders, black socks and shoes", with a telephone cradled in his ear and a Walkman headset containing a cassette tape of Mozart's "A Little Night Music".[7] Prior to his death he spoke of possibly disappearing and that it might look like a suicide.[citation needed]

Found hidden in a false ceiling in the bathroom were seven small packets of Xanax, an anti-anxiety prescription drug, with one pill removed. In black felt-tip marker he had written on a mirror of his room:

Chief, consider this my resignation, effective immediately. As you always said, you can't ask others to make a sacrifice if you are not ready to do the same. Life is duty. God bless America.

As a postscript, he wrote, "To the Ritz, please forgive this inconvenience."[7]

During a lengthy interview at a Manhattan apartment a few months before his death, Spence alluded to more intricate involvements. "All this stuff you've uncovered (involving call boys, bribery and the White House tours), to be honest with you, is insignificant compared to other things I've done. But I'm not going to tell you those things, and somehow the world will carry on."

[maz]

Guys and gals, let's stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein conspiracy theories or else white men will magically start shooting up Walmarts.

How Trump-endorsed conspiracy theories could inspire more political violence: CNN’s Avlon

CNN’s John Avlon on Monday explained why we shouldn’t be surprised that President Donald Trump over the weekend spread a baseless conspiracy theory about former President Bill Clinton murdering accused child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein.

During his “Reality Check” segment, Avlon called Trump the “conspiracy-theorist-in-chief” and said that the president has spread so much disinformation over the years that it’s become “the new normal” in American politics.

He then explained that Trump’s conspiracy mongering is outright dangerous, as it could help spur on conspiracy theorists to commit acts of political violence.

“It comes two weeks after a report by an FBI office in Phoenix, Arizona, warning about conspiracy theory-driven extremists,” he explained. “When the president spreads these theories, he’s not just asking questions as Kellyanne Conway suggested, but amplifying their message from the bully pulpit of the White House, and that leads some folks to believe it.”

[Hong Wu]

It's being reported that Epstein had a cell mate but the guy was moved out on the night of his death.

They sure are bold. We may have #MeToo to thank for this whole thing which is ironic because I've always assumed that movement was getting promoted by leftist politicians and it sure has blown up.

[BigSteve]

So this fellow Epstein has about 550 million dollars to his name, owns a boeing, a yacht, mansions, islands, you name it, he owns it all. And he threw it all away for a couple of underage young pussies. Life and fortune destroyed. Tsk, tsk. Sad. Stupid.

It's amazing.

Epstein was obviously a sick mother fucker, and I'd have to say I'm glad he's dead. But I also would've liked to have found out about the involvement of others, and to what degree. That's a lot less likely now...

[Rich]

So this fellow Epstein has about 550 million dollars to his name, owns a boeing, a yacht, mansions, islands, you name it, he owns it all. And he threw it all away for a couple of underage young pussies. Life and fortune destroyed. Tsk, tsk. Sad. Stupid.

Possibly, but if some people are to be believed and his wealth was only acquired through his work with certain covert agencies, then being vulnerable to potential self destructive behaviours, may have been a prerequisite to his being selected in the first place.

[BigSteve]

I just can't believe the prison guard assigned to him died in a car accident tomorrow...

[maz]

So I thought of a few more things. If Epstein is really dead, no matter if it is from suicide or he was killed, when is his burial going to be?

Aren't there very strict rules when Jews have to be buried?

Or did they just dump him in the ocean like they claimed they did with Osama bin Laden? Did he have a funeral?