[BigSteve]

Yes, see above. I just posted it. Andy was hanging out with Patriot Prayer, standing only feet away from them as they planned an attack, and chose to edit the video to make it appear as if the fight Patriot Prayer planed was instigated by antifa.

No, you've posted your belief that he did it.

I want to see actual evidence.

But I harbor no illusion you'll provide it anytime soon...

Lmbo look up any thread about the Charlottesville nazi march. The people you're agreeing with love nazis.

Okay, so we agree that you can't provide any examples. Thank you...

I just posted proof.

No, you didn't...

I'm sorry that the truth hurts your feelings, but at least 4 Patriot Prayer shitheads are going to be convicted felons because of the footage shared by the guy you decried as a liar. Because apparently lying to violent fascists is bad in your view.

I think lying is bad. I don't care who it's directed at. The guy's a pussy...

The footage shows Ngo hanging around them as they plan the attack. The same attack Ngo presented as antifa instigated violence.

Hanging around doesn't equate to proof.

When you decide you want to be serious about this discussion, let me know. Otherwise, I think I'll just laugh at you...

[Pants-of-dog]

How does convincing people that racism is wrong and so to leave the Klan make you a racist?

I never said Mr. Davis was racist.

He goes around talking to racist people to convince them otherwise. And so if he is there talking to these conference goers, that means the conference attendees are racist.

Anyone that threatens to harm others—be it career or health, much less their lives—because of a disagreement over politics is a terrorist. Informing others that you are willing to give as well as you get is not. Which applies here I don’t know, but considering that this professor is associated with AntiFA without more information I would lean toward the second. But that’s just an initial judgment based on AntiFA’s modus operandi, it could easily be wrong.

This seems like an unverified speculation used to support a double standard.

Threaten someone (and their college) who supports antifa? Perfectly reasonable, according to you.

Antifa does the same thing? Terrorism., according to you.

[Doug64]

That is the proper response to nazis, yes. Violence against nazis is unambiguously good.

Apparently, you have no particular interest in living in a free society.

I like how you and your fellow boomer Bigsteve focus on the "alleged" part ...

I didn’t assume anything about “alleged,” much less say anything about it. I asked for evidence that Ngo selectively edits the clips he posts, and you haven’t provided any. Considering the number of clips he’s posted it shouldn’t be all that hard, all you need is a clip someone else has recorded of the same occurrence giving a more extensive period of time and so showing what might have been clipped.

I never said Mr. Davis was racist.

He goes around talking to racist people to convince them otherwise. And so if he is there talking to these conference goers, that means the conference attendees are racist.

You apparently didn’t read the article closely enough:

”Davis will be addressing how to bring racial extremists ‘back from the edge’, in a one-hour discussion with Minds.com CEO Bill Ottman.”

In other words, he wasn’t there to lead attending racists back to the light, but to talk about how he does it, to help others follow his example. So his presence is evidence that the event is the opposite of racist, exactly as it was billed as: “Ending Racism, Violence and Authoritarianism.”

This seems like an unverified speculation used to support a double standard.

Threaten someone (and their college) who supports antifa? Perfectly reasonable, according to you.

Antifa does the same thing? Terrorism., according to you.

No, not threaten someone that supports AntiFA, but threaten someone that has issued similar threats against me and mine. The question would be whether the professor in question had ever issued such threats. Since he is affiliated with AntiFA, in the absence of even a statement otherwise I’d have to lean toward the possibility that the professor has issued such threats—that is, after all, what AntiFA does.

And while I might object to threatening harm to people I disagree with politically, the professor in question, given their support of AntiFA, has no ethical right to make similar objections and expect to be taken seriously—“how dare others treat me the way I want them to be treated!”

[SpecialOlympian]

Are you guys pretending to be retarded or what? I linked the article, which includes links to this video:

Which shows Andy Ngo hanging around with Patriot Prayer as they plan an attack. Andy then uses video from this confrontation to produce his own video, blaming the violence on antifa. This video is being entered as evidence in a felony case for multiple Patriot Prayer members, btw.

Like I don't know how I can dumb this down further for the two of you. It's not my fault you are rightwingers, and therefore mentally incapable of accepting facts that displease you. Do you need me to break out the sock puppets and talk to you like babies?

[Pants-of-dog]

You apparently didn’t read the article closely enough:

”Davis will be addressing how to bring racial extremists ‘back from the edge’, in a one-hour discussion with Minds.com CEO Bill Ottman.”

In other words, he wasn’t there to lead attending racists back to the light, but to talk about how he does it, to help others follow his example. So his presence is evidence that the event is the opposite of racist, exactly as it was billed as: “Ending Racism, Violence and Authoritarianism.”

No. The presence of a single anti-racist activist who is known for specifically addressing racists does not show that this is an anti-racism conference.

And he is the perfect person to invite if the underlying message us that we should provide platforms and listen to racist people.

Why should I listen to racist people?

No, not threaten someone that supports AntiFA, but threaten someone that has issued similar threats against me and mine. The question would be whether the professor in question had ever issued such threats. Since he is affiliated with AntiFA, in the absence of even a statement otherwise I’d have to lean toward the possibility that the professor has issued such threats—that is, after all, what AntiFA does.

Okay, so it is okay to threaten a professor and his college, and this obviously includes his students, because you have the preconceived notion that every person who supports or identifies with antifa is guilty of a criminal act, despite no evidence for such an accusation.

And while I might object to threatening harm to people I disagree with politically, the professor in question, given their support of AntiFA, has no ethical right to make similar objections and expect to be taken seriously—“how dare others treat me the way I want them to be treated!”

Yes, it is clear that your rationalisation for your double standard is your presumption of his guilt.

I guess that anyone who supports militant tactics against fascists is now no longer allowed to enjoy a presumption of innocence and can be threatened with impunity.

This is, of course, the same philosophy that you accuse antifa of.

[BigSteve]

This video is being entered as evidence in a felony case for multiple Patriot Prayer members, btw.

And it will likely be thrown out...

Like I don't know how I can dumb this down further for the two of you. It's not my fault you are rightwingers, and therefore mentally incapable of accepting facts that displease you. Do you need me to break out the sock puppets and talk to you like babies?

All i did was ask you for proof. You have one. You apparently believe that, as long as they come from you, suspicions and allegations are sufficient on which to conclude guilt. Thankfully, that's not how our justice system works. You can have your suspicions; that's great. But proof?|

You're a long, long way from even approaching having that...

[SpecialOlympian]

I've posted the proof multiple times. I am sorry that your blind rage makes you incapable of comprehending it.

And it will likely be thrown out...

I'm sorry but the justice system doesn't discount obvious evidence of reactionary violence because it hurts your feelings.

[maz]

Are you guys pretending to be retarded or what? I linked the article, which includes links to this video:

Which shows Andy Ngo hanging around with Patriot Prayer as they plan an attack. Andy then uses video from this confrontation to produce his own video, blaming the violence on antifa. This video is being entered as evidence in a felony case for multiple Patriot Prayer members, btw.

Like I don't know how I can dumb this down further for the two of you. It's not my fault you are rightwingers, and therefore mentally incapable of accepting facts that displease you. Do you need me to break out the sock puppets and talk to you like babies?

You can dumb this down by giving a timestamp. The timestamp I gave at 9:25 shows them discussing walking down the street. The black guy saying that he did not think it was a good idea to walk near antifa and another guy discussed the possibility that they could walk down the street and maybe antifa would just ignore them.

[BigSteve]

I've posted the proof multiple times. I am sorry that your blind rage makes you incapable of comprehending it.

Rage?

I don't harbor any rage. Rage is for people who are incapable of formulating compelling arguments and repeatedly fail to support their arguments.

Like you...

I'm sorry but the justice system doesn't discount obvious evidence of reactionary violence because it hurts your feelings.

But there's no way to determine the validity and voracity of the videos produced. You don't know what's been edited and what's not and, without the original video, it's difficult, at best, to make that determination. That's just the way it is.

Look, I understand that you hate Ngo, and that you have a predisposition to blame everything on him. I understand that you believe he's evil and that the antifa pussies are as pure as the driven snow. But the reality (you know, that thing you tend to be completely divorced from) is likely somewhere in between, with degrees of fault on both sides...

[BigSteve]

The black guy saying that he did not think it was a good idea to walk near antifa and another guy discussed the possibility that they could walk down the street and maybe antifa would just ignore them.

There was also talk, a bit after that, where someone can be heard saying that they should walk on the opposite side of the street, thereby avoiding confrontation...

[maz]

Yes I heard that too and that's when I stopped the video so it is very well possible that I just missed it. If there is something that shows that these guys were planning an attack then Special Olympian should just post the timestamp.

[BigSteve]

Yes I heard that too and that's when I stopped the video so it is very well possible that I just missed it. If there is something that shows that these guys were planning an attack then Special Olympian should just post the timestamp.

Of course we know he can't/won't do that.

There's plenty in the video provided by SO to suggest that those in the video are looking to avoid a confrontation.

And, despite what SO would want us to believe, there's nothing to suggest they're looking for a fight...

[Doug64]

Are you guys pretending to be retarded or what? I linked the article, which includes links to this video:

Which shows Andy Ngo hanging around with Patriot Prayer as they plan an attack. Andy then uses video from this confrontation to produce his own video, blaming the violence on antifa. This video is being entered as evidence in a felony case for multiple Patriot Prayer members, btw.

I haven’t bothered to watch the video because even if it is exactly what you claim it is, it offers no proof that Ngo has selectively edited the videos he’s posted. Do you have anything that actually deals with that?

No. The presence of a single anti-racist activist who is known for specifically addressing racists does not show that this is an anti-racism conference.

But your claim was that his very presence was proof that this conference was racist, because he attempts to convince racists they shouldn’t be racists. So now you’ve backed off and are just claiming that the presence of an anti-racist at the conference to speak on how to convince racists not to be racists doesn’t mean the conference isn’t racist? I guess that’s progress.

And he is the perfect person to invite if the underlying message us that we should provide platforms and listen to racist people.

Or the underlying message could be the same as the stated message, which is why an anti-racist lent his name to it by attending and speaking.

Why should I listen to racist people?

Why should I listen to those determined to turn the US into a totalitarian state, and use crying wolf about racism to achieve that?

Okay, so it is okay to threaten a professor and his college, and this obviously includes his students, because you have the preconceived notion that every person who supports or identifies with antifa is guilty of a criminal act, despite no evidence for such an accusation.

Why shouldn’t I assume that anyone affiliated with AntiFA is guilty of acting like AntiFA? At a minimum they approve of such tactics or they wouldn’t be affiliated with AntiFA. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. What goes around comes around. As you sow, so shall you reap.

Yes, it is clear that your rationalisation for your double standard is your presumption of his guilt.

I guess that anyone who supports militant tactics against fascists is now no longer allowed to enjoy a presumption of innocence and can be threatened with impunity.

This is, of course, the same philosophy that you accuse antifa of.

If people choose to affiliate with violent thugs, why shouldn’t I assume they are also violent thugs? After all, you can tell a great deal about someone by who their friends are. So in the absence of even a denial by the professor that they’ve made any such threats I can simply assume that they’re just like those they choose to affiliate with.

[Pants-of-dog]

But your claim was that his very presence was proof that this conference was racist, because he attempts to convince racists they shouldn’t be racists. So now you’ve backed off and are just claiming that the presence of an anti-racist at the conference to speak on how to convince racists not to be racists doesn’t mean the conference isn’t racist? I guess that’s progress.

No. Your evidence is one of several lines of evidence that have shown that this conference is really about supporting open racism.

Please reread the thread and you will see.

Or the underlying message could be the same as the stated message, which is why an anti-racist lent his name to it by attending and speaking.

The evidence shows otherwise.

If you wish, you could name any other anti-racism activist who will attend.

Why should I listen to those determined to turn the US into a totalitarian state, and use crying wolf about racism to achieve that?

So you cannot provide a decent reason why people should listen to racists.

Why shouldn’t I assume that anyone affiliated with AntiFA is guilty of acting like AntiFA? At a minimum they approve of such tactics or they wouldn’t be affiliated with AntiFA. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. What goes around comes around. As you sow, so shall you reap.

Because that is a negative generalization. It would be akin to assuming that you support James Fields and other racist terrorists simply because you support their free speech, and therefore deserve to be threatened.

Plus, you are basing this on your erroneous assumption that antifa is inherently violent.

And you are also being a hypocrite.

If people choose to affiliate with violent thugs, why shouldn’t I assume they are also violent thugs? After all, you can tell a great deal about someone by who their friends are. So in the absence of even a denial by the professor that they’ve made any such threats I can simply assume that they’re just like those they choose to affiliate with.

Yes, thank you for repeating why you think your hypocrisy lets you support the people who silence the professor, while decrying people (who apparently believe the same as you) as terrorists.

[BigSteve]

Nazi and antifa pussies are all scumbags.

I won't weep over the death of any of them...

[SpecialOlympian]

I haven’t bothered to watch the video because even if it is exactly what you claim it is, it offers no proof that Ngo has selectively edited the videos he’s posted. Do you have anything that actually deals with that?

Sure. This is a documented subject and a claim which is very easy to verify, despite you and your fellow Boomer wishing and hoping that all of reality would realign itself to prove violent rightwingers to be correct.

Here is footage, beginning at 0:40, of Andy Ngo claiming the violence was instigated by antifa:

Since you have trouble understanding things that deny the infallibility of fascists, I will allow my friend Sockey to explain the rest to you:



Hey there, Doug Sixty-Four! My name is Sockey, and I'm here to teach you about the linear progression of time. You see, time moves in a straight line where one event happens after another!

So here's what happened: Your favorite fash, Andy Ngo, was hanging around with some violent reactionaries who planned an attack because they're a bunch'a overweight suburban men who want to relive their youth by attacking people.

Anyhoo, Andy overheard their plans to launch an attack, and then followed them to the attack, and then went on Fox News and presented his own video to claim that antifa was in fact the instigator of the fight.

I don't know how I can dumb that down further for you, but I hope your nazi loving brain can someday process these complex thoughts!

[maz]

So here's what happened

It is so typical for people of your ilk to lie and then engage in victim blaming

[SSDR]

Antifa does the same thing? Terrorism.

Antifa and their closer affiliations are terrorists, or are terrorist like people. They throw rocks at cars. They burn personal property. They blackmail their potential enemies. They trespass houses' back yards in rural areas. They manipulate their enemies in an ignorant manner. They beat up respectful people and make up false excuses about them as a phony cover up.

Antifa has no agenda. They are not socialists. They are not liberals. They are not social democrats. They are anarchists of whom are socially liberal.

[Hindsite]

As a Journalist, Andy Ngo has to try to "hang out" with the demonstrators to find out what is going on. The problem for him is that he gets attacked when he tries to "hang out" with the far-left Antifa crowd.

Patriot Prayer receives a 1 million dollar lawsuit for exposing Antifa.
Published on May 3, 2019

Patriot Prayer get's sued for 1 million dollars for being pepper sprayed, spit on, and assaulted by drunk Cider Riot customers, all while remaining on a public sidewalk. Maybe Cider Riot should stop co-hosting parties with Rose City Antifa who have a violent history of attacking anyone in Portland they disagree with. It was a pleasure exposing this nazi establishment, all I had to do was walk up and just stand there smiling. Now the whole nation knows exactly what Cider Riot is about. What kind of bar allows their customers to be in masks carrying weapons and huge cans of bear spray all while serving them liquor?

Antifa lawyer caught lying on camera about Patriot Prayer
Published on May 10, 2019

Antifa lawyer caught lying on camera about Patriot Prayer. Cider Riot an Antifa bar in Portland attacked Joey Gibson and 2 journalists while standing on a sidewalk. While standing on Cider Riot Property, their customers assaulted people standing on a public sidewalk. Cider Riot received so much blow back and afraid to lose their liquor license they decided to sue Joey Gibson for 1 million dollars. Here is one video showing their lawyer and Cider Riot intentionally lying to deceive the public. Slander? This is just one video, many more to expose their deception. Juan C. Chavez with the Oregon Justice Resource Center is representing Cider Riot.

(CRAZY) Antifa VS Boston Cops
Published on Jun 8, 2019

Far-left Antifa 'working toward a political revolution,' attack victim Andy Ngo tells Laura Ingraham
Published July 27, 2019

"They're working toward a political revolution," Andy Ngo said on Fox News' "The Ingraham Angle." "They're made up of anarchists and communists and ... these acts of violence and vandalism ... not only target citizens but they're meant to polarize society."

As the Portland demonstration -- between Antifa and Proud Boys members -- turned violent, some demonstrators threw milkshakes, said to be mixed with quick-drying cement, raw eggs and pepper spray.

Ngo was hospitalized after he took blows from multiple Antifa members, suffering a brain bleed, he said.

On Twitter, Ngo posted footage of the aftermath — showing cuts and bruises on his face.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/conservat ... ifa-attack


Antifa Members Talk Protest Tactics: ‘We Don’t Depend On Cops’
NBC News
Published on Aug 19, 2019

Anti-fascist protesters and members of Rose City Antifa in Portland, Oregon, faced off in a counter protest against the Proud Boys and other members of the far right. NBC News’ Dasha Burns talked with two members of a local antifa group to get an inside look at their tactics and their views on the protests.

ATTEMPTED STABBING OF US MARINE VET BY ANTIFA
Published on Aug 22, 2019

Three people arrested after stabbing in downtown Portland

Top 10 Reasons Not To Move To Portland,Oregon

[SSDR]

The Antifa's biggest victims are those who choose to side with them because the Antifa harass and bother those on their side to condition them to accept their awful, disgusting beliefs. Antifa blackmail their victims. They manipulate them. Antifa beat up anyone who goes against them.

Anyone who is put in a difficult position with the Antifa are encouraged to do drugs to cope with how awful the Antifa is.

Many people in the Antifa do drugs to cope with their self destructive ways of life.