- 14 Apr 2023 20:38
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Not really. Canada is guilty of genocide and mistreatment and oppression.
Go ahead and assume I am a dishonest debater who is trying to deceive you. It does not matter. The point is that your own lack of clarity on the issue must stem from somewhere. And that you have this clarity when it comes to the Chinese.
Now, it might be that Canadian news and English language forums are discussing Canadian genocide just as much as Chinese genocide but that readers such as yourself are only focusing on the Chinese stories. This seems doubtful since you are interested in politics and would have read these stories about Canadian human rights problems.
It might then be that news and fora are not discussing Canadian human right abuses as much as Chinese ones, which would give credence to the argument of media bias.
most likely, it is a complex combination of these two factors and more.
The definition and how people arrived at the decision that Canada is guilty are easily available online.
And yet, the average politically astuteCanadian such as yourself is not even aware of the current genocide, how it is defined, and what that means.
If the stories are in the media, why do Canadians still not have a clear understanding?
I had asked why you were so sure that current state-led genocide of Indigenous in Canada isn't as high as current state-led genocide of Uyghurs, and suggested that this is because you are unaware of the evidence against Canada but clear on the evidence against China.
Since you have repeatedly asked for said evidence, I will assume my suggestion was correct.
There is a crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in...
Unthinking Majority wrote:You have changed the goalposts from "genocide" to "mistreatment" and "oppression". The latter can refer to anything, like land claims/treaty rights or pipelines or racist cop abuse or who knows what. You have not even defined what you refer to so how can I compare that which you can't define, or point to anyone else who has defined it?
Not really. Canada is guilty of genocide and mistreatment and oppression.
When I just asked you to define what you're talking about you ignored the question or tried to deflect by saying "see, you don't even know its happening". But you won't even define it yourself, or point to links. Maybe if there's a human rights organization that can point out what you're talking about that would be helpful. My assumption is that you won't make any specific references to what you claim as ongoing genocide of indigenous people in Canada because your claims are greatly overstated and you can't back them up so you continue to be purposefully vague.
Go ahead and assume I am a dishonest debater who is trying to deceive you. It does not matter. The point is that your own lack of clarity on the issue must stem from somewhere. And that you have this clarity when it comes to the Chinese.
Now, it might be that Canadian news and English language forums are discussing Canadian genocide just as much as Chinese genocide but that readers such as yourself are only focusing on the Chinese stories. This seems doubtful since you are interested in politics and would have read these stories about Canadian human rights problems.
It might then be that news and fora are not discussing Canadian human right abuses as much as Chinese ones, which would give credence to the argument of media bias.
most likely, it is a complex combination of these two factors and more.
If you'll define the current indigenous genocide you claim is still occurring we can continue the discussion. If you continue to refuse I don't see any constructive reason to continue this discussion and will no longer respond.
The definition and how people arrived at the decision that Canada is guilty are easily available online.
Atrocities towards aboriginals have been in the news headlines constantly the last several years, from the TRC to the inquiry on MMIWG to the residential school graves to poor water conditions to the 2020 railway protests over gas pipelines and land rights. Canada now even has a new national "holiday" designed to focus on Truth and Reconciliation with Indigenous peoples. I just don't agree with your argument.
And yet, the average politically astuteCanadian such as yourself is not even aware of the current genocide, how it is defined, and what that means.
If the stories are in the media, why do Canadians still not have a clear understanding?
I never said "oppression of Uyghurs is much higher than Canadian oppression of Indigenous people". I said current state-led genocide of Indigenous in Canada isn't as high as current state-led genocide of Uyghurs.
I had asked why you were so sure that current state-led genocide of Indigenous in Canada isn't as high as current state-led genocide of Uyghurs, and suggested that this is because you are unaware of the evidence against Canada but clear on the evidence against China.
Since you have repeatedly asked for said evidence, I will assume my suggestion was correct.
There is a crack in everything,
That's how the light gets in...