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"We saw one of those stunts this week when, using a promise of assistance, he lured several dozen Venezuelan asylum seekers onto a pair of planes in Texas and sent them to Martha’s Vineyard. According to NPR, “The migrants said a woman they identified as ‘Perla’ approached them outside the shelter and lured them into boarding the plane, saying they would be flown to Boston where they could get expedited work papers.”

The conceit of this dehumanizing bit of political theater was that the liberal denizens of Martha’s Vineyard would reject the migrants out of hypocrisy, thus proving that Democrats aren’t actually interested in welcoming immigrants into their communities. To DeSantis and his amen corner, asylum seekers are disposable, and they believe that liberals will want to dispose of them too.

What happened, instead, was that residents of Martha’s Vineyard rallied to provide food, shelter, clothing and services. The asylum seekers are now on their way to Cape Cod, to receive further assistance. The stunt failed to make its intended point.

The same was true of a previous stunt, in which DeSantis touted the arrests of 20 former felons for election fraud. The intended message was that Florida, and presumably the entire country, needed to be on constant alert to block fraudulent voters. But in the days and weeks after the arrests, an investigation by The Tampa Bay Times found that the state had actually cleared those residents to vote. As far as they knew, they hadn’t broken the law. If anything, they had been entrapped as part of a scheme to make DeSantis a more attractive candidate for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

But to a typical person — someone who may have heard about these stunts but doesn’t know much about DeSantis otherwise — he looks a lot like a bully, someone willing to play high-stakes games with people’s lives for the sake of his own ego and advancement.

What I think it means, however, is that his Trump 2.0 act might fail to reach the marginal voters who liked Donald Trump for his persona and performance more than for his positions or policies. It means that on a national stage, DeSantis might flop like one of his stunts."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/17/opin ... ation.html

The op-ed also points out that he lacks Trumps charisma. I think the sell-by date on fascist bullies has come and gone.

At least, that's what I am hoping for, like Trump moving into a federal 'country club'..
#15247550
late wrote:"We saw one of those stunts this week when, using a promise of assistance, he lured several dozen Venezuelan asylum seekers onto a pair of planes in Texas and sent them to Martha’s Vineyard. According to NPR, “The migrants said a woman they identified as ‘Perla’ approached them outside the shelter and lured them into boarding the plane, saying they would be flown to Boston where they could get expedited work papers.”

The conceit of this dehumanizing bit of political theater was that the liberal denizens of Martha’s Vineyard would reject the migrants out of hypocrisy, thus proving that Democrats aren’t actually interested in welcoming immigrants into their communities. To DeSantis and his amen corner, asylum seekers are disposable, and they believe that liberals will want to dispose of them too.

What happened, instead, was that residents of Martha’s Vineyard rallied to provide food, shelter, clothing and services. The asylum seekers are now on their way to Cape Cod, to receive further assistance. The stunt failed to make its intended point.

The same was true of a previous stunt, in which DeSantis touted the arrests of 20 former felons for election fraud. The intended message was that Florida, and presumably the entire country, needed to be on constant alert to block fraudulent voters. But in the days and weeks after the arrests, an investigation by The Tampa Bay Times found that the state had actually cleared those residents to vote. As far as they knew, they hadn’t broken the law. If anything, they had been entrapped as part of a scheme to make DeSantis a more attractive candidate for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination.

But to a typical person — someone who may have heard about these stunts but doesn’t know much about DeSantis otherwise — he looks a lot like a bully, someone willing to play high-stakes games with people’s lives for the sake of his own ego and advancement.

What I think it means, however, is that his Trump 2.0 act might fail to reach the marginal voters who liked Donald Trump for his persona and performance more than for his positions or policies. It means that on a national stage, DeSantis might flop like one of his stunts."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/17/opin ... ation.html

The op-ed also points out that he lacks Trumps charisma. I think the sell-by date on fascist bullies has come and gone.

At least, that's what I am hoping for, like Trump moving into a federal 'country club'..




You are definitely in an echo chamber smelling your own shit.

Flying those illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard showed the democrat's situational ethics again for all to see. Those on the island DID reject them out of hypocrisy.

You're so stupid, you can't even see it when it's right in front of you.

People are tired of your fucked up lefitst agenda.



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#15247551
late wrote:I'm an atheist, no idea what that is.


Athiest's should really study the bible.

Yes, I'm "atheist" too BTW. I just don't like to use that word to describe myself. Self proclaimed Atheists are too militant. They hate religion. I do not for a very specific and clear reason that's important to even atheists.

Anyway, that passage (I was sent to bible study as a kid), is basically a story outlining that people that are good and will be saved, will help others in need (actually, in fact, if you are already on the path to salvation, doing good for others is a natural consequence of that. Meaning, doing good isn't want gets you in heaven, but it's a symptom of getting into heaven.... some shit like that). Those that do bad, will get what's coming to them (hell, punishment, etc). Also, in the story Jesus say's "by helping others, you help me". Of course, what he is saying is that by helping the community, you help the individual. The guy was a true communist. :lol: :)

If MAGA morons like DeSantis and Bluto were actually christian. They wouldn't be doing/saying/supporting the things they are doing.
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Rancid wrote:
Yes, I'm "atheist" too BTW. I just don't like to use that word to describe myself. Self proclaimed Atheists are too militant. They hate religion. I do not for a very specific and clear reason that's important to even atheists.



I don't think there were militant atheists until I was in my 60s. Since nobody has a f**king clue what a Secularist is, and agnostic is a ridiculous word for me (I have an opinion about everything); I'm stuck with atheist.
#15247569
BlutoSays wrote:

Flying those illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard showed the democrat's situational ethics again for all to see. Those on the island DID reject them out of hypocrisy.

You're so stupid, you can't even see it when it's right in front of you.

People are tired of your fucked up lefitst agenda.




Actually, so many came out to help and give stuff, the sheriff of Marthas Vineyard had to to start turning people away. If you watched actual news, you'd know that.. In other words, you're so stupid you avoid seeing what's in front of you...

You'd also know there was no place for them to stay. The hotels were all closed.

Actually, most of what I want is what most Americans want.. Back in the real world, where you never go.
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Rancid wrote:
doing good isn't want gets you in heaven, but it's a symptom of getting into heaven



Secularized-it / got a *diagram* for that (see 'enlightenment' in the image-space):


G.U.T.S.U.C., Individualism - Tribalism

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late wrote:
I don't think there were militant atheists until I was in my 60s. Since nobody has a f**king clue what a Secularist is, and agnostic is a ridiculous word for me (I have an opinion about everything); I'm stuck with atheist.



Found a classified ad in the local free weekly when I was in my early teens -- ftw. (grin)
#15247697
late wrote:
I don't think there were militant atheists until I was in my 60s. Since nobody has a f**king clue what a Secularist is, and agnostic is a ridiculous word for me (I have an opinion about everything); I'm stuck with atheist.



ckaihatsu wrote:
Found a classified ad in the local free weekly when I was in my early teens -- ftw. (grin)



late wrote:
How the hell am I supposed to know what, if anything, that means?



I guess you *don't* then. I'll rephrase:

I became an atheist when I was in my early teens. It was a conscious decision after finding an organization, and its literature, through a classified ad in the newspaper. Since I got to atheism at an earlier age than you did, it was 'for the win', ironically.
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ckaihatsu wrote:
I guess you *don't* then. I'll rephrase:

I became an atheist when I was in my early teens. It was a conscious decision after finding an organization, and its literature, through a classified ad in the newspaper. Since I got to atheism at an earlier age than you did, it was 'for the win', ironically.



I became an atheist in church. I think the previous dinner had been lamb. Anyway, when the guy started talking about shepherds and sheep, it occurred to me that the interests of one might diverge from the interests of the other.

I was 16 or 17, at the time, not that it matters. I did get there on my own, didn't need help..

Not that that matters, either. There is, or used to be, extensive prejudice against atheists in this country. The idea of militant atheists was so outside my life experience, when I did start hearing about outspoken atheists, I was dubious.
#15247706
late wrote:
I became an atheist in church. I think the previous dinner had been lamb. Anyway, when the guy started talking about shepherds and sheep, it occurred to me that the interests of one might diverge from the interests of the other.

I was 16 or 17, at the time, not that it matters. I did get there on my own, didn't need help..

Not that that matters, either. There is, or used to be, extensive prejudice against atheists in this country. The idea of militant atheists was so outside my life experience, when I did start hearing about outspoken atheists, I was dubious.



Yeah, it was an interesting, fad-like, socially-progressive development -- offhand I think they were all sociobiologists, so ultimately they're *liberals* at best. (The nod towards *genetics* means that one is using *some* size of a 'black box' (placeholder) (genetic determinism) to serve as a representation of the *individual*, since 'nurture' and self-determining willful cognitive-agency are *disfavored*, in favor of cookie-cutter 'genetics' dispositions.

Sociobiology feeds right into a condescending aggressive display of politics / social-philosophizing, since here's-how-individuals-behave-according-to-behavioral-psychology, and *you're* an individual (on the printed page, in the book).

I myself had to 'move-on' from atheism itself, because the larger world kept turning, anyway. Along-with / because-of the mass protests on campus against the Gulf War in 1990, I got interested in socialism.

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