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Judea declares war on Germany

Long before the Hitler government began restricting the rights of the German Jews, the leaders of the worldwide Jewish community formally declared war on the "New Germany" at a time when the U.S. government and even the Jewish leaders in Germany were urging caution in dealing with the new Hitler regime.


The war by the international Jewish leadership on Germany not only sparked definite reprisals by the German government but also set the stage for a little-known economic and political alliance between the Hitler government and the leaders of the Zionist movement who hoped that the tension between the Germans and the Jews would lead to massive emigration to Palestine. In short, the result was a tactical alliance between the Nazis and the founders of the modern-day state of Israel - a fact that many today would prefer be forgotten.

To this day, it is generally (although incorrectly) believed that when Adolf Hitler was appointed German chancellor in January of 1933, the German government began policies to suppress the Jews of Germany, including rounding up of Jews and putting them in concentration camps and launching campaigns of terror and violence against the domestic Jewish population.

While there were sporadic eruptions of violence against Jews in Germany after Hitler came to power, this was not officially sanctioned or encouraged. And the truth is that anti-Jewish sentiments in Germany (or elsewhere in Europe) were actually nothing new. As all Jewish historians attest with much fervor, anti-Semitic uprisings of various degrees had been ever-present in European history.

In any case, in early 1933, Hitler was not the undisputed leader of Germany, nor did he have full command of the armed forces. Hitler was a major figure in a coalition government, but he was far from being the government himself. That was the result of a process of consolidation which evolved later.

Even Germany's Jewish Central Association, known as the Verein, contested the suggestion (made by some Jewish leaders outside Germany) that the new government was deliberately provoking anti-Jewish uprisings.




Judea declares war on Germany

Jews Of All The World Unite In Action
Daily Express, Friday, March 24, 1933

BOYCOTT OF GERMAN GOODS
MASS DEMONSTRATIONS IN MANY DISTRICTS
DRAMATIC ACTION


ALL Israel is uniting in wrath against the Nazi onslaught on the Jews in Germany.

Adolf Hitler, swept into power by an appeal to elemental patriotism, is making history of a kind he least expected. Thinking to unite only the German nation to race consciousness he has roused the entire Jewish people to a national renaissance.

The appearance of the swastika symbol of a new Germany has called forth the Lion of Judah, the old battle symbol of Jewish defiance.

Fourteen million Jews dispersed through the world have banded together as one man to declare war on the German persecutors of their co-religionists. Sectional differences and antagonisms have been submerged in one common aim -- to stand by the 600,000 Jews of Germany who are terrorized by Hitlerist anti-semitism, and to compel Fascist Germany to end its campaign of violence and suppression directed against its Jewish minority.

World Jewry has made up its mind not to rest quiescent in face of the arrive of medieval Jew-baiting.

Germany may be called up to pay a heavy price for Hitler's antagonism to the Jews. She is faced with an international boycott in commerce, finance, and ministry. She may find herself in spiritual and cultural isolation, recoiling before the burning crusade that Jews of all lands are launching in defence of their brethren.
The Jewish merchant prince is leaving his counting-house, the banker his board-room, the shopkeeper his store, and the pedlar his humble barrow to join together in what has become a holy war to combat the Hitlerite enemies of the Jew.






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By N'Djamena
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Well a lot of good it did them. :roll:
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By Rodion
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a little-known economic and political alliance between the Hitler government and the leaders of the Zionist movement who hoped that the tension between the Germans and the Jews would lead to massive emigration to Palestine.


So does the article imply a real "alliance", or just shared interests?

If it's the latter - I agree, I myself said on multiple occasions that the Zionist movement benefitted from the way Nazi Germany treated Jews and expoited the situation. The Sohnut still exploits anti-Semitism in it's crusade to bring cheap workforce to Israel. I think it's a hideous practice that must end as soon as possible.

If it's the former - that's quite an accusation. Add the fact that the author doesn't provide any evidence on the all-so-very disputed topic, instead choosing to just "settle" the dispute by simply proclaiming one of the sides victorious.

Also, what part of the thread has a source?

P.S. N'Djamena wrote:
Well a lot of good it did them.


:?:
By The Duke
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So does the article imply a real "alliance", or just shared interests?


That's not even the point.
By The Duke
#757806
Well a lot of good it did them.


That's right, it backfired, bigtime.
By Smilin' Dave
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Right, so Jewish people were concerned when a party whose cornerstone was racism (and anti-semitism in specific) was bussed into power by President Hindenburg. Why does this surprise you?

I would also disagree with the articles claim that Hitler was unimportant in 1933. If Hitler was so irrelevant in 1933, why did they want him in the coalition? Why was he able to seize more power? Hitler might not have had a lot of official power at that stage, but his influence due to his electoral popularity, was very significant.

Further, it is irrelevant. The Nazi Party, while very Hitler-centric, also had a bunch of other crackpots in power. Ernst Rohm and his SA for example.

So where did you find this Duke?
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By QatzelOk
#758313
What a cynical piece of crap.

It's like saying Islam declared war on America on 9-11.
By Ixa
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Thank you for posting this article, The Duke. You are not merely a lantern, but a natural luminary in a world of darkness and ignorance.
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By Rodion
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The Duke wrote:
That's not even the point.


I know. The article itself is actually very interesting. It's just when you see a bomb in a candy shop - you don't go for the candy...

I wrote:
Which part of the article has a source?


The Duke replied:
...


Listen, I'm not questioning the article's origins, I just want to know what, if anything, in your thread was written by you, and which part by somebody else. Problem is, you didn't put in quotation marks. I'm just curious :peace: ...

QatzelOk wrote:
What a cynical piece of crap.

It's like saying Islam declared war on America on 9-11.


Kim Jong Il wrote:
Thank you for posting this article, The Duke. You are not merely a lantern, but a natural luminary in a world of darkness and ignorance.


Why cynical? Why luminary? Am I missing something? I thought the article stated pre-WW2 Jewry condemnedd Nazi Germany. What is so sensational about it? I'm so confused :( ...
By The Duke
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Listen, I'm not questioning the article's origins, I just want to know what, if anything, in your thread was written by you, and which part by somebody else. Problem is, you didn't put in quotation marks. I'm just curious


Copy-paste. Forget where. :lol:

Why cynical? Why luminary? Am I missing something? I thought the article stated pre-WW2 Jewry condemnedd Nazi Germany. What is so sensational about it? I'm so confused


It’s perfectly logical that "Judea declared war on Germany." I would’ve done the exact same thing. The question is: Did this somehow accelerated or even caused the extreme Jewish persecution? What would’ve happened if Judea hadn’t declared war on Germany? Was Nazism in the late 1930’s a reaction or a carefully planned and independent nationalist anti-Semitic movement? That's the ultimate question.
By Smilin' Dave
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Copy-paste. Forget where.

Hmm... good save :roll:

The question is: Did this somehow accelerated or even caused the extreme Jewish persecution? What would’ve happened if Judea hadn’t declared war on Germany? Was Nazism in the late 1930’s a reaction or a carefully planned and independent nationalist anti-Semitic movement?

Since Nazi official persecution didn't really get started till 1934-35ish, no I don't think this declaration had anything to do with it. Even if it did, the Nazi response was massively disproportionate and hence illegitimate.
By The Duke
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Since Nazi official persecution didn't really get started till 1934-35ish, no I don't think this declaration had anything to do with it. Even if it did, the Nazi response was massively disproportionate and hence illegitimate.


Two years after the "Jewish war declration." Makes perfect sense to me.
By Smilin' Dave
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Two years after the "Jewish war declration." Makes perfect sense to me.

Your powers of analysis let you down then.

Why did it take two years to respond. The delay between implementing pre-existing concepts and making policy could be explained by Hitler's need to consolidate is power base in the cabinet, allowing him to actually implement policy. Perhaps the Nazis had to wait for Hindenburg to die. There are many other possible factors. Without any actual link between the two events, you can't prove anything, it's not even an educated guess. Did the Nazi Party even respond to this declaration of 'war' (central to the idea that the Nazis were meerly reacting)? Did it result in any concrete action by any Jews (central to the concept that this was a threat and the response more appropriate)?
By MasterOfPuppets
#759089
Judea declares war on Germany


Well Judea got stomped, good thing whitey came along to help out. :lol:
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By Rodion
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The Duke wrote:
It’s perfectly logical that "Judea declared war on Germany." I would’ve done the exact same thing. The question is: Did this somehow accelerated or even caused the extreme Jewish persecution? What would’ve happened if Judea hadn’t declared war on Germany? Was Nazism in the late 1930’s a reaction or a carefully planned and independent nationalist anti-Semitic movement? That's the ultimate question.


Ah. Aaaaah... I guess the article is even more interesting than I thought :lol: . It's actually worth a thought.

Following this logic, we could also explain why Hitler invaded France and attacked Britain - after all, they were the ones to declare war on Germany on September the 3-rd 1939, not Hitler.

However, seeing how Hitler also attacked Poland and the USSR, seeing how Gypsies and homosexuals, who declared war on noone, were massacred along with the Jews... I'll stick with the Hitler-was-a-madman-and-wanted-blood theory.

I am, however, willing to accept the idea that "Judea declaring war on Germany" could influence Hitler's choice for the skape-goat position. After all, I think Hitler said himself: if there were no Jews in the world, there would be a need to invent them... Besides, Hitler had a special spot for Jews in his heart (like you do, only in a bad way ;) ). Could the world Jewry uniting against him cause his paranoia to peak? Perhaps. This declaration could even be the origin for the Nazi party's claim that "Jews are poising the world against Germany".

The truth is, however, that anti-Semitism has been around for as long as there have been Semites (or longer). There really was no question "whom to blame" - it was always the Jews. This is especially so in the case of post-WW1 Germany: if you remember, it was the Jews who allegedly manipulated Germany into the Treaty of Versailles in the first place.

No, I think this declaration of "war" was more an effect than a cause.

QatzelOk wrote:
It's like saying Islam declared war on America on 9-11.


:hmm: Well, maybe if the title said: "Jews blew up the Reichstag".

MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Well Judea got stomped, good thing whitey came along to help out.


Is that "whitey" Hitler, or "whitey" Mussolini? Are you somehow implying WW2 was won by the white man?
By Zvezda
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The French should've agreed to exporting all the Jews to Madagascar. A Jewish claim to Madagascar would be just as logical as their claim to Palestine. Remember that the Nazis never sought to initially exterminate Jews; they simply wanted them to get the fuck out the Reich.

The cult surrounding the Jews in circles of the intelligentsia where the Jews were the ONLY ones ever to suffer persecution under the Nazis has got to be dismantled. Along with everything from medical care to funeral services, the Holocaust is part of a billion dollar proft-seeking industry. Its ludicrous demands for "reparations" tells us that that such vicious crimes are forgiveable if a sum of money is paid to those abused. I'm disgusted.

Is that "whitey" Hitler, or "whitey" Mussolini?


Yet again with these bourgeois-minded racial slurs. This guy ought to be immediately carded.

Not that race matters, but World War II was won by white men of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics no thanks whatsoever to the filthy Anglo-Saxon imperialists.

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