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By Vasili Schmidt
#966725
There is quite a large amount of material available on so-called link between Bolsheviks and Jews. This is just one of many:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

Much of this is composed of propaganda and half-truth. There are countless Russians neglected in their lists of government bodies and there are Jewish names in there which never existed. Some even the Latvian Karl Lander are falsely labelled Jews. They also do not take into consideration that in elections to Constituent Assembly, most Jew voters in Ukraine clearly showed that they favoured Bundists and Mensheviks. The Jewish Bund received some 600 thousand votes. There was also heavy Jewish support for the anti-revolution Mensheviks. The source of support for the Bolsheviks came not from Jewish merchants and petit-bourgeois but rather from frustrated ethnic Russian industrial workers and exhausted soldiers from the front. The Bolsheviks who were seen as defending Russian identity also drew support from Russians as far away as Tashkent; Russian workers seized power in Tashkent in 1917.

The actual members of the Bolshevik government can be found here:

http://www.elisanet.fi/daglarsson/dokumentit/sov.htm

Out of all members of the government on 7 November 1917, the only Jew was Trotsky. And Trotsky had only joined the Bolsheviks in the summer of 1917. Everyone else except for the Pole Teodorvitsch and Ukrainian Lunatscharky were Russian. Other important elements of the Bolsheviks not taken into consideration is that some 40,000 former Tsarist officers of which none were Jewish served in the Red Army. 30,000 Latvian Riflemen helped to save the revolution early in 1918 from SRs in Moscow. Information from the RSDRP 5th Party Congress from 1907 shows the nationality of Bolsheviks and Mensheviks:

Bolsheviks: 82 Russians, 12 Jews, 3 Georgians, 2 Armenians, and 1 from each of these: Pole, Latvian, Ukrainian, Estonian, Finn, Tatar. Russians were 78% even though they were only some 48% of Russian Empire. The Bolshevik faction was a genuine Russian party with a small minority of Jews.

Mensheviks: 33 Russians, 28 Georgians, 22 Jews, 6 Ukrainians, 2 Poles, and 1 from each: German, Greek, Armenian, Osset, Estonian.

The Mensheviks were clearly an outsider Jewish-Georgian faction who clearly did not get sympathy from Russian proletariat. However, this is irrelevant because Menshviks were opposed to the October Revolution. Many Jews were therefore anti-Bolshevik and anti-Soviet. While Jewish presence amongst Mensheviks was disproportionate, Georgians were much more so. The Mensheviks in Constituent Assembly received the majority of their votes from Georgia.

At the same time, however, there is indeed truth that to a certain extent at least, Jews were heavily involved in Communism:

Termed the "White Terror" and often exaggerated by the media, it lasted until the end of 1920. The terror often took an anti-Semitic twist, partly due to the large numbers of Jews who had played important roles in the Soviet Republic. Out of 45 commissars of the people, 32 had been Jewish, including Bela Kun himself. :eek: :eek:

http://www.hungarian-history.hu/lib/bogdan/bogdan17.htm

The Jews definitely dominated the early Communist Party in Hungary. They were 72% of all commissars even though they were just 5% of the country's population. After Soviet liberation, the Jews Matyas Rakosi and Erno Gero led Hungary from 1948-56. They were then forced to leave because of their erratic policies and partly because segments of the Hungarian people were opposed to having Jewish leaders. Janos Kadar who is a sort of saint for Hungary cleaned up the mess left by that pig Rakosi who then died in disgrace.
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By Maxim Litvinov
#966779
I think that one has to make clear that all of these 'Jews' too were not identifiable as such in their 'bit' (everyday life). They are 'Jews' only because of their parents' ancestry and not because they adopted Jewish faith or customs themselves. As we know, Bolsheviks were violently atheistic.
By Vasili Schmidt
#966839
I think that one has to make clear that all of these 'Jews' too were not identifiable as such in their 'bit' (everyday life)


I disagree. People in Russia can easily detect who is and isn't Jewish by just looking at name. People's Commissar Isidor Steinberg was obviously Jewish whereas People's Commissar Viktor Nogin was obviously Russian.

They are 'Jews' only because of their parents' ancestry and not because they adopted Jewish faith or customs themselves. As we know, Bolsheviks were violently atheistic.


I don't think it's relevant as to whether these Jews were religious. Judaism is a cult practiced exclusively by the Jewish tribe. In contrast, Christianity is a worldwide international cult with over a billion adherents. It's just like how the only people who practice Shinto religion are Japanese. Judaism is to Jews as Norse was to Vikings.
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By Truthseeker
#966842
I don't think it's relevant as to whether these Jews were religious.


Of course it is!

People claim that Communism is an instrument of a global Jewish conspiracy and so on, if the Jews in Bolshevism did not entertain Jewish beliefs or practices they could not have been part of a "Jewish" conspiracy.
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By Comrade Ogilvy
#967032
People in Russia can easily detect who is and isn't Jewish by just looking at name.


Nonesense. Many Jews had changed names to Russian sounding names.

The source of support for the Bolsheviks came not from Jewish merchants and petit-bourgeois but rather from frustrated ethnic Russian industrial workers and exhausted soldiers from the front. The Bolsheviks who were seen as defending Russian identity also drew support from Russians as far away as Tashkent; Russian workers seized power in Tashkent in 1917.


Has it ever occured to you that for the Bolsheviks to win they would have to win over the mob? The targets of Bolshevik propaganda were precisely the people you just mentioned. Moreover, the Bolsheviks did quite a great job during Russia's civil war at winning over those soldiers fighting in the white ranks. Of coarse the rotten western imperialists couldn't keep their paws out of Russia's affairs and let Russians settle their own business and ended up benefiting the reds.
By Russkie
#967039
So the protocols of Zion are true? Jews tried to take over the world, by using communism?
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By Truthseeker
#967045
So the protocols of Zion are true? Jews tried to take over the world, by using communism?


Do the protocols ever actually mention communism? :eh:
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By Red Star
#967164
They do if you want them to.
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By London Calling
#967270
Yes, they do. They mention Marxism as a Jewish creation.
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By War Angel
#967383
Yes, they do. They mention Marxism as a Jewish creation.

... maybe that has something to do with the fact Marx was a Jew.
By Russkie
#967392
maybe that has something to do with the fact Marx was a Jew.

This reinforces the idea that Communism and the Creation of the Soviet Union and the spread of Communism all over the world is a jewish conspiracy.

An old idea back in the 30s around Germany was Communism was such a stupid idea, that only a jew could come up with it.
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By Truthseeker
#967409
London Calling wrote
Yes, they do. They mention Marxism as a Jewish creation.


Ah yes you're right, sorry.

War Angel wrote:
... maybe that has something to do with the fact Marx was a Jew.


It lists neizchism (spelling?) and Darwinism in the same sentence.

So that seems implausible.
By Platov
#968249
78% of Bolshevists were Russians?? Who told it? Russians were a minority in the first Soviet Government and various sources can easily prove it. The criminals always strive to justify themselves. So the Jews are trying to prove that the genocide of Russian nation by communists was organized and fulfiled by Russians. Russians killed themselves? What a rave!!!

Just look at the first Politburo. Do you see some Russians there? Russian people fought against communists till 1922 during the Civil War. Trotskiy was the only Jew... Ha ha ha Many Jews changed their names and surnames to disguise themselves, even Lenin himself was half-Jew for his mother was Jewish. The Revolution was organized by Jews and done with the help of stupid people who supported those satanists. And different traitors like Latvians helped them. Who knows that the first Lenin's bodyguards were Latvian shooters who slaughtered Russians? Communists also used Chinese, Chechnians and other mercenaries and now some fools talk about "poor Chechnians", "poor Georgians", "poor Latvians". And even in modern so-called Russia the government is controlled by the Jews. Just look at Russian oligarchs. Are they Russians? You wish, some of them have only Russian names but their nationality is obvious for every sane man.
By Vasili Schmidt
#968279
Russian people fought against communists till 1922 during the Civil War.


To the contrary. Russian workers and soldiers from the eastern front were the most enthusiastic supporters of the Bolsheviks. Even 45,000 former Tsarist officers served in the Red Army Antonov-Ovseyenko led Red Guards against the Provisional Government on 7 November 1917. Russian workers afterwards as far away as Odessa, Sebastopol, Baku, Astrakhan, and Tashkent seized power on behalf of the Soviets.

78% of Bolshevists were Russians?? Who told it? Russians were a minority in the first Soviet Government and various sources can easily prove it.


Information about the 1907 5th Congress of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party show that the vast majority of Bolsheviks were Russians.

The vast majority of the delegates to the Sovets were also Russian. p.129 of this file proves it:

http://src-h.slav.hokudai.ac.jp/publict ... /ikeda.pdf

Ethnic Composition of Moscow Sovet, 14 June 1917:

602 Russians
25 Jews
19 Belorussians
18 Polish
14 Latvians
12 Ukrainians
4 Georgians
1 of each: Czech, Estonian, Karelian, Chechen, Armenian, Kazak.

602 Russians out of 700 delegates to Moscow Sovet. This is 86%.

Just look at the first Politburo. Do you see some Russians there?


The first Politburo is not a solid representation of the leadership. A better indication is Central Committee which had a Russian majority:

Take a look at the Central Committee from 1917.

http://www.melgrosh.unimelb.edu.au/inde ... 2&changes=

Out of 31 members, the only Jews were: Krestinsky, Zinoviev, Sverdlov, Sokolnikov, Trotsky, Uritsky, Ioffe

Russians: Bubnov, Bukharin, Muranov, Preobrazhensky, Rykov, Stasova, Kiselev, Lenin, Milyutin, Nogin, Artem, Lomov, Yakovleva. Additionally, Kollontai was half Finnish/Ukrainian and Skrypnik full Ukrainian.

And even in modern so-called Russia the government is controlled by the Jews. Just look at Russian oligarchs. Are they Russians?


Now that you are correct about. Oligarchs most of which are Jews have destroyed Russia and are driving its population to extinction. We are losing 1 million people annually. By the next century, there will no longer be Russians.
Last edited by Vasili Schmidt on 17 Sep 2006 00:46, edited 1 time in total.
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By Gletkin
#968453
Oh ffs...Jews are responsible for communism....Jews are responsible for capitalism.... :roll:

Some Jews supported Bolshevism, others opposed it. But this thread is full of insinuations that Jews as a whole belonged to one camp or another!
By Platov
#969910
Well, thanks for correction. Although I took this information from the book of Grigoriy Klimov - "Protocoles of Soviet Sages". He claims that among 545 chieftains of Soviet revolution there were 447 Jews. And Lenin was half-Jewish too, his grandfather adopted Orthodox Christianty and changed his real Jewish name (Israel) into a Russian (Alexander) one. This fact can be easily proven.

And also let's remember that all people in Russian Empire could change their names. Leiba Bronschtein became Lev Trotskiy, Josef Dzhugashvili became Stalin and so on. Russian names and surnames but Jewish roots. Even modern Jews in Russia have mostly Russian names and nobody can definitely say if a person is Jewish or not. Moreover, many Russians in Politburo had Jewish wives so their children were fully Jewish (Molotov, Voroshilov, Rikov, Kuibyshev and other leaders belong to this group) . Anyway, the role of Jews in Russian revolution was immense and we underestimate it.
By BleedingHeartNorwegian
#969967
But what about libertarianism? I have never heard claimed that Hayek was a jew, but Ayn Rand, Robert Nozick, Milton Friedman, Murray Rothard and Ludwig Von Mises were all jews! Not that I think they were part of a global conspiracy or something, but why are a so huge majority of important libertarian thinkers jews?
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By Rodion
#970141
Russkie wrote:Communism was such a stupid idea, that only a jew could come up with it.


Quote worthy of a tzar.

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