- 15 Sep 2014 20:03
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I agree with you wholeheartedly taxizen. Marxists' (leninist or otherwise) fetishisation of the establishment of a fabled "Workers' state" led by a dictatorship of the proletariat as carried out by an elitist vanguard party of permanent revolutionaries has been met by spiritual, if not material destruction following a period of rapid moral degeneration as is the consequence of its authoritarian and statist nature. As Bakunin, Kropotkin and other sensible social anarchists have pointed out from the very beginning "Give the most dedicated revolutionary absolute power and he will be soon be worse than the Tzar", "Liberty without socialism is privilege and injustice but socialism without liberty is brutality and slavery", "If people are beaten with the stick, they do not much care whether it is called "the peoples' stick"", etc etc. However, I am not a Marxist not a Leninist but an Anarcho-Syndicalist. We are far more progressive than them, not relying on revolution from above but from below. In your somewhat specious taxi-driver imagery, we ask the passenger where they want to go and then take them there, rather than dictating to them where the best place for them to go is, as a Marxist-Leninist would.
Our entire history is a mountain of dead, raped, defiled, bodies-Dagoth Ur
taxizen wrote: Ah utopia, the one good thing that can be said of progressives of the marxist-leninist strain is that they do have some long term goal in mind and are not just flailing around changing things for the sake of it like other progressives. The trouble is marxists are the kind of driver that promises to take you to a good hotel but mysteriously seems to pick a route that takes you straight to the bad part of town... and you the hapless passenger are never seen again.
I agree with you wholeheartedly taxizen. Marxists' (leninist or otherwise) fetishisation of the establishment of a fabled "Workers' state" led by a dictatorship of the proletariat as carried out by an elitist vanguard party of permanent revolutionaries has been met by spiritual, if not material destruction following a period of rapid moral degeneration as is the consequence of its authoritarian and statist nature. As Bakunin, Kropotkin and other sensible social anarchists have pointed out from the very beginning "Give the most dedicated revolutionary absolute power and he will be soon be worse than the Tzar", "Liberty without socialism is privilege and injustice but socialism without liberty is brutality and slavery", "If people are beaten with the stick, they do not much care whether it is called "the peoples' stick"", etc etc. However, I am not a Marxist not a Leninist but an Anarcho-Syndicalist. We are far more progressive than them, not relying on revolution from above but from below. In your somewhat specious taxi-driver imagery, we ask the passenger where they want to go and then take them there, rather than dictating to them where the best place for them to go is, as a Marxist-Leninist would.
Our entire history is a mountain of dead, raped, defiled, bodies-Dagoth Ur