[Dave]

How can I fight literature with racism?

Is this thread a joke? We have high school graduates who haven't read Shakespeare and you want to squander limited educational time on African literature?

[NoRapture]

How can I fight literature with racism?

You can't, Dave. Nor can you fight logic, natural justice, or spirituality with it. Though it is fun to watch the big, lumbering, dumb reasoning of bigots make the attempt periodically and get their numb asses stomped every time.

[Dave]

You don't need my help to fight logic, NR.

[Figlio di Moros]

I'm glad you put quotes around "reverse discrimination" because it is a completely meaningless and ludicrous term. "Reverse discrimination" is a giant, steaming, stinking pile of horseshit. And a lie.

Yeah, because blacks aren't 39x more likely to commit a crime against whites? That's also not to point out that whites can outscored blacks on the SATs or ACTs and still be more likely to be rejected from college... But, of course, it's hard to commit intellectual masturbation to the reflection of your leukophobic intent in the mirror if you shy from the masochism of white immolation, even if it's not you who suffers it, right?

And I'm sure, fig, that this fits right in with your bigoted, racist beliefs on our superior intelligence, right? But the fact is that throughout history and empire, cavemen, tyrants and bullies have been murdering the weak and poor and salving their guilt by repeating things about "reverse racism" and the stupidity of the poor since civilization began. It's nothing new. I guess you enjoy being in a big club?

What race is your daughter? If your answer is white, I expect your apology for accusing me of racism... in fact, I'd expect such an apology regardless; learn more about people before you wontonly accuse them of racism for daring to hold a dissenting opinion.

[XAdamX]

Yeah, because blacks aren't 39x more likely to commit a crime against whites?

As I mentioned in our other thread that's not discrimination or hate. Those are crimes for purely economical reasons, not motivated by hate. All races commit hate crimes against other races but the number is much greater for whites against blacks. In 2001, the FBI recorded 1.7 million acts of interracial violent crime. Of that figure, 1.1 million were cases of blacks committing violent crimes on whites. Despite this, the FBI finds that blacks suffer three times as many hate crimes as whites and as a percentage of the population are almost 30 times more likely to be targeted for a hate crime.

[Dave]

As I mentioned in our other thread that's not discrimination or hate. Those are crimes for purely economical reasons, not motivated by hate.

If that were the case then we would expect much higher rates of impersonal property crime, yet impersonal property crime has been declining for a very long time and declined during the crime boom. Instead we see violent crime. It is more likely that similar moral deficiencies are to blame for both poverty and criminality.

All races commit hate crimes against other races but the number is much greater for whites against blacks. In 2001, the FBI recorded 1.7 million acts of interracial violent crime. Of that figure, 1.1 million were cases of blacks committing violent crimes on whites. Despite this, the FBI finds that blacks suffer three times as many hate crimes as whites and as a percentage of the population are almost 30 times more likely to be targeted for a hate crime.

In 2001 the FBI conveniently counted Hispanics as white when a hate crime was committed but as Hispanic when victimized. There is also significant pressure to not classify crimes committed as whites as being hate crimes. In any case it seems to make little difference--violent crime is violent crime.

[NoRapture]

You don't need my help to fight logic, NR

Racial bigotry doesn't fight logic?

What race is your daughter? If your answer is white, I expect your apology for accusing me of racism...

The skin pigment of my children has nothing to do with the fact that black "reverse racism" is a bigoted, racist term on its face. An affront to any reasonably intelligent, historically informed American. If you find something personal to be insulted by in my views please don't hold me responsible.

[Kman]

As I mentioned in our other thread that's not discrimination or hate. Those are crimes for purely economical reasons, not motivated by hate. All races commit hate crimes against other races but the number is much greater for whites against blacks.

I think you need to get in touch with the real world, im pretty sure that there are plenty of black people in america that hate white people and they commit crimes against white people because they feel its justifiable, its just retribution for slavery.

It probably isnt reported as much by white people as a ''hate crime'' because that is not fashionable in todays western culture, white people are supposed to take it up the arse and ask for seconds with a smile on their face.

[NoRapture]

...im pretty sure that there are plenty of black people in america that hate white people and they commit crimes against white people because they feel its justifiable, its just retribution for slavery.

And that's the point isn't it? Such crimes are not racism on the part of the perpetrator. Only one side of the equation, the white side, equates blackness "scientifically" "religiously" and "genetically" with moral, intellectual, and physical inferiority. Only one side view themselves as culturally superior to every other race on earth. The white side. If you think there should be no natural repercussions from this long, highly organized and perpetuated view of the world you live in a fantasy-land.

[XAdamX]

If that were the case then we would expect much higher rates of impersonal property crime, yet impersonal property crime has been declining for a very long time and declined during the crime boom. Instead we see violent crime. It is more likely that similar moral deficiencies are to blame for both poverty and criminality.

Can I see your sources for this information? I had a car stereo stolen not too long ago. It at least feels like impersonal crime is still a dilemma. I agree with your last statement to an extent.

In any case it seems to make little difference--violent crime is violent crime.

As I also mentioned in that thread. However, he used this as evidence of reverse discrimination which I don't think is the case. I am not a supporter of violent crime but I am not convinced that race is a motivating factor.

I think you need to get in touch with the real world, im pretty sure that there are plenty of black people in america that hate white people and they commit crimes against white people because they feel its justifiable, its just retribution for slavery.

Dave's racism is at the very least amusing and worth the debate. Your racism however isn't cute and more in tune with the folks over at Stormfront. You are pretty sure? Great evidence to support your argument. Of course there are blacks that hate "whitey" and rob them for said reason. However, that doesn't come close to the number of 1.1 million. So what's your deal? Are you a Dane or what?

[Kman]

Dave's racism is at the very least amusing and worth the debate. Your racism however isn't cute and more in tune with the folks over at Stormfront.

Yeah its amusing because he is easier to write off as a nutty racist extremist Hitler lover and anti semite since he afaik actually thinks Hitler was a good leader in some areas and openly says he doesnt like jews, I dont however so my opinions are much harder to dismiss and disregard as nutty because they are much more reasonable.

You are pretty sure? Great evidence to support your argument. Of course there are blacks that hate "whitey" and rob them for said reason. However, that doesn't come close to the number of 1.1 million. So what's your deal? Are you a Dane or what?

Comeon use some logic here, white people in western society are indoctrinated into believing that them being mistreated a little by the minorities is ok because we white people are cheating our way to success via race favors by our peers, so its fair to give them oppressed minorities special treatment. When white people think like that its only natural that they dont report crimes committed against them by the minorities as hate crimes.

[NoRapture]

...white people in western society are indoctrinated into believing that them being mistreated a little by the minorities is ok because we white people are cheating our way to success via race favors by our peers, so its fair to give them oppressed minorities special treatment.

White people are not being asked to pay through restitution or special treatment for their barbaric institutions and policies of the past. And you have zero examples for such reasoning. White people are merely being asked to stop trying to maintain their 200 year-old penchant for maintaining past barbarity in regard to people of color throughout the world. Your statement is a lie, whether you understand it or not.

[Kman]

White people are not being asked to pay through restitution or special treatment for their barbaric institutions and policies of the past. And you have zero examples for such reasoning. White people are merely being asked to stop trying to maintain their 200 year-old penchant for maintaining past barbarity in regard to people of color throughout the world. Your statement is a lie, whether you understand it or not.

Affirmative action is special treatment for minorities.

[Figlio di Moros]

And that's the point isn't it? Such crimes are not racism on the part of the perpetrator.

Ok, let me get the gist of this- jumping a white man, castrating him, and gangraping his white girlfriend for the color of their skin would count as a mere reaction to oppression, and the real racism is when he later spray-paints a swastika?

Only one side of the equation, the white side, equates blackness "scientifically""religiously" and "genetically" with moral, intellectual, and physical inferiority. Only one side view themselves as culturally superior to every other race on earth. The white side.

Apparently, you're unfamilar with Elijah Muhammed, Kalid Abdul Mohammad, or Ishakamusa Barashango...

If you think there should be no natural repercussions from this long, highly organized and perpetuated view of the world you live in a fantasy-land.

There's quite a difference between unreasonable reactions and institutionalized racism against the majority; if hate crimes against whites would be treated on equal terms as the ones against blacks, and this the sole complant, then you'd be correct. However, that is simply not the case, and any excuse to assert whites, and mainly "underpriveledged" whites at that, deserve to be held the victims of blatant racist action because of historical racism against blacks, non of which they perpetrated or benefacted from, is pure, and simply, hypocrisy of the most asinine assertion.

White people are merely being asked to stop trying to maintain their 200 year-old penchant for maintaining past barbarity in regard to people of color throughout the world. Your statement is a lie, whether you understand it or not.

Orwell called, he asked if you'd seen his doublespeak? Seems to have misplaced it...

[NoRapture]

Affirmative action is special treatment for minorities.

I guess you could call it special treatment if you believe legal recourse against discrimination for U.S. blacks is special treatment. I suppose it is to a bunch of dumb hillbillies who can't understand why former, black sharecropper families are finally being routinely accepted at universities over white people. Especially when they are so stupid they believe these African Americans are as ignorant as they are and get in anyway, as they are being told by the GOP and their fellow goobers.

[Plaro]

White people are not being asked to pay through restitution or special treatment for their barbaric institutions and policies of the past. And you have zero examples for such reasoning. White people are merely being asked to stop trying to maintain their 200 year-old penchant for maintaining past barbarity in regard to people of color throughout the world. Your statement is a lie, whether you understand it or not.

You are a sadomasochist NoRapture.

You mean to say that if I attack a Muslim as retribution for the invading European land that is justifiable, or you would scream ` You are a White Supremacist and Racist! Probably. That is why people find your mentality insulting, because by your definition of racism, you are being racist to your own kind.

I do not feel sorry for what has happen in the past, nor do I feel proud.

[NoRapture]

You mean to say that if I attack a Muslim as retribution for the invading European land that is justifiable...

I am not promoting violence of any kind. Are you? I am promoting enforcement and adherence to U.S. law and the Constitution. Both of which now demand an end to racial discrimination in this country and imply an end to colonialist, racist, U.S. policy throughout the world.

[Dave]

Can I see your sources for this information? I had a car stereo stolen not too long ago. It at least feels like impersonal crime is still a dilemma. I agree with your last statement to an extent.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tab ... trdtab.htm

These include "personal" property crimes but the majority of property crimes are impersonal. Unfortunately the DoJ do not have data from before 1973, but this is discussed in Freakonomics.

Violent crime you'll find stayed at a high level or rose until the early to mid 1990s, after which tough on crime politicians, Roe v. Wade, and the aging of the population made itself felt.

I agree that impersonal property is certainly still a dilemma.

As I also mentioned in that thread. However, he used this as evidence of reverse discrimination which I don't think is the case. I am not a supporter of violent crime but I am not convinced that race is a motivating factor.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/06/nyregion/06rape.html

Do you think race may have been a motivating factor in this crime?

Dave's racism is at the very least amusing and worth the debate. Your racism however isn't cute and more in tune with the folks over at Stormfront. You are pretty sure? Great evidence to support your argument. Of course there are blacks that hate "whitey" and rob them for said reason. However, that doesn't come close to the number of 1.1 million. So what's your deal? Are you a Dane or what?

No, my "racism" is far more in tune with that of Stormfront than Kman. Kman espouses typically conservative beliefs, which is to say tepid, cautious racialist beliefs which incorporates tactics like slamming certain minorities as being "racist". My "racism" condemns the use of that word as a negative one altogether and speaks very bluntly about race.

Yeah its amusing because he is easier to write off as a nutty racist extremist Hitler lover and anti semite since he afaik actually thinks Hitler was a good leader in some areas and openly says he doesnt like jews, I dont however so my opinions are much harder to dismiss and disregard as nutty because they are much more reasonable.

What exactly makes your beliefs more reasonable than mine? That they are trivially closer to the accepted liberal order? Please.

[NoRapture]

What exactly makes your beliefs more reasonable than mine?

They aren't. But then reasonability has nothing to do with it. When you claim supremacy and superiority based on skin pigment you are no longer operating from the world of reason. You become the Dark-Ages crusader guy in your avatar. kman and fig need to find where you got yours.

[Figlio di Moros]

They aren't. But then reasonability has nothing to do with it. When you claim supremacy and superiority based on skin pigment you are no longer operating from the world of reason. You become the Dark-Ages crusader guy in your avatar. kman and fig need to find where you got yours.

NoRapture, we've repeatedly explained our position, none of which is based on the superiority of melanin counts; your excessive, and in many ways obsessive, use of profiling us as racists in order to mask your lack of an argument is increasingly more apparent, and I think it's more important that you address the fact you advocate bigotry against whites, the blunt of which is felt by those among the lower classes.