sine29 wrote:You might as well if the roles were reversed and a bunch of "surly Arabs" decided to create an enclave in territory you had controlled for thousands of years.
Did Egyptians, Jordanians, Lebanonians and Syrians lived in Israel? Why no one told me?
Also, you say "controlled"- but in the long history of Palestine after the expell of the Jews,
Palestinains never really controlled Palestine.The topic is about whether Communists should support Zionism, and the fact is that the Internationalist nature of Communism will render any support for it null and void. Especially as the Israelis are backed up by big-brother America, and are rich while the Palestinians live in Ghettos
Communists should not support Zionism(though, in the 50's-60's-70's many Zionists supported Communism), nor Black nationalism, nor Arab nationalism, nor any other kind of nationalism- because this is hypocritic. By the way, Communists once supported the Zionists- befor the creation of Israel. But when the Jewish state was created, the Jews preferd Socialism- and then comunists put their bet on the Palestinians who embraced Communism.
Let's face it, only Jews, Israelis, and weird Christians who beleive the existence of an Israeli state as vital for the second coming support Zionism. Others just think its frankly ridiculous and the arguements you put forward are the same.
And the arguments of anti-Israelis are just as ridiculous and repeating as the Zionist ones. Actually, the Zionist arguments are more rational and logical then those of the opposers.
The fact is the Jews fled persecution in Europe and went to commit the same crimes in Palestine (all except the mass extermination).
Lol. And after that you say that Zionists are
repeating themselves?!
The way you describe the Arabs leaves little to be desired,
Again you confusing between two different things: 1. Arab countries and the Palestinians attacked Israel with it's creation- and that's why I say "Arabs" in general when I talk about the war in 1948.
2. The problem now is with the Palestinians. And it is a fact that they didn't kept even one agreement on wich they signed for, while Israel gave them much more than one chance to settle this out peacefully. The answer for Rabin's call for peace and begining of negotiations was terror, the answer for Barak's offer, and in the day of the Refferendum in Likud's party about the disangagement plan- they made a bloody terract in wich they killed yong pregnant woman and 4 small girls.
and conflict and war rather than dialogue and agreement will never create a solution (perhaps the Israelis don't want one!)[/quote]
Of course! Israelis like to blow up when they take a bus or go to a restaurant! Think before you say something stupid.