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Dave, Potemkin, Ombrageux: the three pillars of Western civilization. - DonaldThereBeDragons wrote:Honestly, a nation where the people who are in charge make the Samson Option national policy could be justifiably first-struck off the face of the earth
Ter wrote:Israel has way over a billion people as their sworn enemies.
Ter wrote:Israel has way over a billion people as their sworn enemies. You can't blame them for keeping a very big stick behind the door.
I suppose it must be extremely frustrating to Israel's enemies to realise that even if they ever win, they will lose everything.
Ter wrote:Israel has way over a billion people as their sworn enemies. You can't blame them for keeping a very big stick behind the door. I suppose it must be extremely frustrating to Israel's enemies to realise that even if they ever win, they will lose everything.Nuking your enemies when they batter down the gates is one thing, nuking Europe out of spite is just retarded.
Dave, Potemkin, Ombrageux: the three pillars of Western civilization. - DonaldThere Be Dragons wrote:Honestly, a nation where the people who are in charge make the Samson Option national policy could be justifiably first-struck off the face of the earth.Do you think that the USA, Russia, India, Pakistan, China, and France don't have similar end game strategies? Think again.
There Be Dragons wrote:Not even Iran has contemplated such a thing. "Irrational leadership" my ass.
Buzz62 wrote:On the other hand...WHY would Israel have so many enemies? What have they DONE to deserve this?
Xbow wrote:Do you think that the USA, Russia, India, Pakistan, China, and France don't have similar end game strategies? Think again.I really don't think that the United States would nuke Brazil if it were conquered (by who? China?) but you're probably right.
Xbow wrote:If a cabal of ten people conspire to kill you would you target only the trigger man or take them all out if you could?If a cabal of ten people conspired to kill me, would I destroy the entire city I'm in as retaliation? Probably not.
Dave, Potemkin, Ombrageux: the three pillars of Western civilization. - DonaldThereBeDragons wrote:Nuking your enemies when they batter down the gates is one thing, nuking Europe out of spite is just retarded.
Ter wrote:The real hater countries... they will have it coming I think.
Xbow wrote:That's simple they are Jews, and for Islamists that is enough.
Buzz62 wrote:I see...So you attribute Arab hatred of Israel, to simple racism. How very...insightful. Do you not figure that perhaps the way Israel was created had just a little bit to do with it?Fascinating Buzz62 denies 1300 years of Arab/Muslim antisemitism. I'm sorry Buzz62 but Arab/Muslim Jew Hating goes back a bit further than 1948. Are you becoming too reliant on Muslim propaganda to guide your opinion?
Or has that "broken-wing" become so comfy that you've taken to relying on it...
The Muslim world
In the 19th century, the position of Jews worsened in Muslim countries. There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828.[108] In 1839, in the eastern Persian city of Meshed, a mob burst into the Jewish Quarter, burned the synagogue and destroyed the Torah scrolls, and it was only by forced conversion that a massacre was averted. There was a massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867.
Concerning the life of Persian Jews in the middle of the 19th century, a contemporary author wrote:
...they are obliged to live in a separate part of town... for they are considered as unclean creatures... Under the pretext of their being unclean, they are treated with the greatest severity and should they enter a street, inhabited by Mussulmans, they are pelted by the boys and mobs with stones and dirt… For the same reason, they are prohibited to go out when it rains; for it is said the rain would wash dirt off them, which would sully the feet of the Mussulmans… If a Jew is recognized as such in the streets, he is subjected to the greatest insults. The passers-by spit in his face, and sometimes beat him… unmercifully… If a Jew enters a shop for anything, he is forbidden to inspect the goods… Should his hand incautiously touch the goods, he must take them at any price the seller chooses to ask for them.
In 1840, in the Damascus affair, the Jews of Damascus were falsely accused of having ritually murdered a Christian monk and his Muslim servant and of having used their blood to bake Passover bread. A Jewish barber was tortured until he "confessed" to this crime; two other Jews who were arrested died under torture, while a third converted to Islam to save his life.
In 1864, around 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fez in Morocco. In 1869, 18 Jews were killed in Tunis, and an Arab mob looted Jewish homes and stores, and burned synagogues, on Jerba Island. Jews in Morocco were attacked and killed in the streets in broad daylight. In 1891, the leading Muslims in Jerusalem asked the Ottoman authorities in Constantinople to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia.
One symbol of Jewish degradation was the phenomenon of stone-throwing at Jews by Muslim children. A 19th-century traveler observed: "I have seen a little fellow of six years old, with a troop of fat toddlers of only three and four, teaching [them] to throw stones at a Jew, and one little urchin would, with the greatest coolness, waddle up to the man and literally spit upon his Jewish gaberdine. To all this the Jew is obliged to submit; it would be more than his life was worth to offer to strike a Mahommedan."
Some Facts wrote:1. Israel became a nation in 1312 BCE, two thousand years before the rise of Islam.Buzz62 the issue isn't Land it is Religion...and you should know that. When Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Arabia invaded Israel in 1948 do you imagine that they did so to help the Palestinians? No they did it to push the Jews into the sea for religious reasons and had they won there would have been no new state created for the so called Palestinians.
2. Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel.
3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 BCE, the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years.
4. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 CE lasted no more than 22 years.
5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.
6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.
7. King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem.
8. Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem.
9. In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier.
10. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution, and slaughter.
11. The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.
12. Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own people's lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger than the state of New Jersey.
13. The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the Palestinians. There is only one Jewish nation. The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won.
14. The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them.
15. Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all faiths.
16. The UN Record on Israel and the Arabs: of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were directed against Israel.
17. Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were directed against Israel.
18. The UN was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the Jordanians.
19. The UN was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.
20. The UN was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like a policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.
Beren wrote:Israel is on Saudi Arabia's payroll too.
Beren wrote:If there is an unwavering American support for Israel, then how is it so hard for you to believe that Israel is on Saudi Arabia's payroll too?
Jihsan wrote:Hyperbole alert. It should be 1 billion -1.
I have nothing against Israel.
Xbow wrote:Consider Dead Hand (nuclear war)
Because of its size Israel can not absorb even a small nuclear strike and still exist so it has a Dead Hand system that urges the powers that be to ensure that it will not be attacked with nuclear weapons. It puts the peanut gallery of Jew haters on the target list. They are saying, "If I go back to the stone age so will you." OR, "you will not profit from my death."
Xbow wrote:I couldn't agree more. And Iran, Saudi Arabia and all the Muslim Gulf States would make excellent targets and have it coming in spades.
I wonder how much of those precious buildings you're walking around all the time there will be left by the time it's over.
Buzz62 wrote:Xbow, there is a long history of hatred and mistrust between lots of people. But somehow we manage to live together. In states where people cannot live together, The UN usually tried to act as peace keepers.
What has gone on in Palestine goes way beyond simple religious friction.
Buzz62 wrote:Many countries were in Bosnia.
Xbow wrote:Sorry token representation accounts for nothing The US mission to Bosnia was what separated the two sides and gave control of Serbian territory to your beloved Muslim trash.
Xbow wrote:•Tell me about all the Air strikes and ground operations that the Eurotrash ran before the USA got involved. NONE!!
•Compare the number of missions and the tonnage of ordinance delivered in comparison to what all of the EU members delivered.
Do you know what the Euros did before the USA intervened in the Balkans? NOTHING BUT TALK.
Xbow wrote:The Serbians were brought to heel by the American and UK Bombing Campaign....end of fucking story. The yellow bellied EU had the military power to intervene in a forceful way in the Balkans as far back as 1991-2 without the USA but did not do so. They watched the bloody show and squabbled among themselves while the various factions butchered each other. The Clinton administration decided to intervene through NATO and in all 32 countries were involved. 31 of them provided an average of 1000 troops each (mostly non combat troops) one country (USA) put 20,000 troops on the ground and the bulk of the US 6th fleet in the Adriatic Sea and the British put the Ark Royal and her battle group in the Adriatic as well. Once again it was the USA and the UK that did the bulk of the work. And Canada's contributions were in a word 'insignificant'.
Decision to Intervene: How the War in Bosnia Ended (Brookings Institution)
Bosnia intervention documentary
Don't be such a delusional Canadian Buzz62
Inform yourself or withdraw Buzz62.
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