[Dave]

going to paris gets you much closer to london than staying in fucking saskatchewan smart guy

[Gnote]

If the CA and the PNL want Paris, they should go to Paris. But they should find a way to get there without the SLD.

[Oxymoron]

Obviously Gnote wants to obstruct a coalition between the SLD and PUC+PNL+CA it is evident so I call on other members of the SLD to recognize this. Please let your designated leader handle negotiations in good faight, so that we can finally create functioning goverment and stop being the laughing stock of the West and help our people move forward after Years of suffering.

[Gnote]

Why would you expect SLD members reject their entire worldview to form a coalition?

[peter_co]

Why would you expect SLD members reject their entire worldview to form a coalition?

I love how you have no problem asking all the other parties to do this!

[Paradigm]

I have been informed that there is an opportunity to form a coalition with SN, RF, and THP instead of the centre-right coalition currently being discussed. The SLD platform would largely form the basis of this coalition. How does SLD feel about this? Yay or Nay?

[Ombrageux]

I would have to see the (democratic) governmental platform of SN-RF/THP in print. I frankly think that would require the breakup of SN-RF. I would not let such talk jeopardise our talks with the democratic parties. They already think we are flaky enough as it is..

[Gnote]

I would support a coalition between the SLD, THP, and SN-RF under the same principles I have always taken toward coalition talks.

The SLD platform would have to, in large part, form the basis of the coalition platform. It is my understanding that the other parties to the coalition would be comfortable with this.

[Nattering Nabob]

I have been informed that there is an opportunity to form a coalition with SN, RF, and THP instead of the centre-right coalition currently being discussed. The SLD platform would largely form the basis of this coalition. How does SLD feel about this? Yay or Nay?

I would be open to this...

[Ombrageux]

You mean, other than they would have to renounce to their platform of abolishing the policy, the army and subordinating Parliament to 'worker's councils'?

[Gnote]

You mean, other than they would have to renounce to their platform of abolishing the policy, the army and subordinating Parliament to 'worker's councils'?

They wouldn't have to renounce this as their platform.

One would think that if they are considering a coalition, it is because they are willing to live with the reality of a mostly capitalist society that is sympathetic to their point of view, as opposed to a completely capitalist society that shares no common values whatsoever.

[Nattering Nabob]

The SLD platform would largely form the basis of this coalition.

If this is in fact the case it would be something to look at...

[Demosthenes]

If this is in fact the case it would be something to look at...

Which is exactly the point, if Dumbteen would just hold off on condemnation until he sees something.

As the only SN on at the moment that I know of, I can only say that until Vlad get's on and is brought up to speed, we can't put anything in print.

When he does, we will have something formal for you to look at.

[Ombrageux]

I am condemning nothing. I have always made clear (my own) basic preconditions for negotiations: a mixed economy, acceptance of a liberal, democratic, parliamentary, electoral State. The SN-RF has never said that it would be willing to form part of a government of this sort. All it has done is make angry denunciations of the SLD's alleged fascism, while at the same, condoning a strategy of ending the Republic by self-exile on their own part to drive us into the arms of the fascists. It is the anarcho-stalinists' strategy of "heightening the contradictions".

Give me something concrete, then I may be allowed to make more constructive comments.

[Subversive Rob]

t is the anarcho-stalinists' strategy of "heightening the contradictions".

This is patently ridiculous and unsupported by anything anyone has said. It simply is the case that - right from the get go - some members of your party were more willing to negotiate to their right (way to their right). There are definitely some members of your party who would be on the right wing of social democracy today, and they always opposed an alliance with us.

I would also add - in an unofficial capacity - that there is going to have to be give and take on this, as - excepting yourselves - we are (even without the RF) the second largest party in parliament. As such, it really isn't unreasonable for us to say that we are not going to compromise on our principles.

[albionfagan]

Come on right-wingers hurry up, or we'll just have to take control

And come on Demo, are you seriously suggesting we thrown in our lot with these guys? On a LOWER base? That smacks of just a lust for power to me, rather than any dedication to furthering our cause.

[Demosthenes]

I am condemning nothing. I have always made clear (my own) basic preconditions for negotiations: a mixed economy, acceptance of a liberal, democratic, parliamentary, electoral State. The SN-RF has never said that it would be willing to form part of a government of this sort. All it has done is make angry denunciations of the SLD's alleged fascism, while at the same, condoning a strategy of ending the Republic by self-exile on their own part to drive us into the arms of the fascists. It is the anarcho-stalinists' strategy of "heightening the contradictions".

Well as has been said, our platform isn't going to change, but that never meant our...governing principles couldn't.

Give me something concrete, then I may be allowed to make more constructive comments.

Did you not just read my above post?

And come on Demo, are you seriously suggesting we thrown in our lot with these guys? On a LOWER base? That smacks of just a lust for power to me, rather than any dedication to furthering our cause.

Ummm...I have no lust for power other than that that will enable the proletariate to proliferate.

This move doesn't have as much to do with me as you seem to think it does.

The main thing is, if people can find some patience, this will move along.

[albionfagan]

Sorry, I shouldn't have aimed it directly at you.

I just think that if we were to enter into a governing coalition, we would be predominantly 'backbenchers' of course the SLD would acknowledge us but when it came to the crunch their policies would be followed, there is no socialist future with the SLD.

[Infidelis]

Come on right-wingers hurry up, or we'll just have to take control

And come on Demo, are you seriously suggesting we thrown in our lot with these guys? On a LOWER base? That smacks of just a lust for power to me, rather than any dedication to furthering our cause.

You cannot "further your cause" without power. Strength in SLD's numbers will aid you in furthering some, if not a majority of your cause.

In short, you need power for your cause. We are a pivotal force that can either help you further that cause or swing more toward the center.

Our parties need one and other for anything to get done. Whether it be us and FL/SN or us and some other parties, our goals for the country will suffer without that weight behind us.

[Ombrageux]

Demos - You didn't even say what you would personally compromise on. You just passed the buck on whether negotiations were realistic, and then condemned the centrist fraction of the SLD for not working with SN-RF. As far as I am concerned, that is nothing more than a cheap attempt at throwing a monkey wrench in the existing negotiations.