- 05 Oct 2013 22:32
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This tread is a response to this statement:
Was there really a need to start WWII because of a local conflict between Poland and the Third Reich?
Why did they not draw any "red line" for Poland and the SU?
Poland had to respect the human rights of Polish citizens, for example the Polish Jews and the Germans.
And the SU was an Empire of Evil that killed dozens of millions of its own citizens and was pushing for the enslavement of the entire world. And this Empire of Evil became the ally of the free West?
They did not set any "red line" to the Polish or Soviet government.
Why?
Poland was violating the Treaty of Versailles and the international law, and the same was the case with the SU.
Polish government had to respect the rights of minorities, but it did not. Poland was an heterogenious Empire, discriminating the national minorities, and this empire was eager to grab more foreign territory, like it was the case after the collapse of Czechoslovakia, when the Zaolzie region was annexed by Poland.
The same is true for the SU.
And Poland threatened to invade Danzig, if the citizens of Danzig voted for the reunification with Germany!
Why was the will of the citizens of Danzig not respected?
Wat0n, you yourself have admitted that even the Jewish population was severely discriminated in Poland (Jews from Poland wanted to live in Germany, and refused to return to their native Poland!!).
As already told, they started a Word War because they presumably wanted to save Poland, and that was not the case. They did not declare war on the SU that also invaded and occupied Poland, they have not rescued Poland!!!
Does that make any sense?
They first started WWII because they presumably wanted to save Poland, but then they punished Poland, letting it fall under Stalin's slavery?
Neither UK nor France or USA were threatened by the Third Reich.
It is obvious that Poland was just a patsy, nobody in the West cared a rat's ass about the "freedom" of Poles.
Polish fools were used to start WWII, and then given to Stalin.
Even leading Russian historians agree that the western powers could prevent WWII, if they wanted.
We could see in the recent time how the Israel Lobby was able to stampede Americans and Brits into many wars for Israel. They just promoted lies about a "New Hitler" (Saddam Hussein), who presumably was planning to invade UK or USA and kill every American and Brit with his non-existing WMD.
It seems that the same was the case before WWII, the suckers in the UK and the USA were stampeded into a World War, because they were afraid of the "Huns" who presumably wanted to invade their countries.
Only if somebody wants a World War, then he sets as a pretext "red line".
Who profit from World Wars? The banksters!
They had also set such a "red line" in the Syrian conflict.
After that the warmongers do everything to provoke the violation of this "red line" to get their "casus belli" for transforming a local conflict into Word War.
But it seems that they do not have the guts to start WWIII, because they had blinked on Syria.
Their "false flag" operation was immediately exposed, and they were unable to stampede the population into a new Big War.
wat0n wrote:Hitler was warned that invading Poland was a red line ...
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=150905&start=200
Was there really a need to start WWII because of a local conflict between Poland and the Third Reich?
Why did they not draw any "red line" for Poland and the SU?
Poland had to respect the human rights of Polish citizens, for example the Polish Jews and the Germans.
And the SU was an Empire of Evil that killed dozens of millions of its own citizens and was pushing for the enslavement of the entire world. And this Empire of Evil became the ally of the free West?
They did not set any "red line" to the Polish or Soviet government.
Why?
Poland was violating the Treaty of Versailles and the international law, and the same was the case with the SU.
Polish government had to respect the rights of minorities, but it did not. Poland was an heterogenious Empire, discriminating the national minorities, and this empire was eager to grab more foreign territory, like it was the case after the collapse of Czechoslovakia, when the Zaolzie region was annexed by Poland.
The same is true for the SU.
And Poland threatened to invade Danzig, if the citizens of Danzig voted for the reunification with Germany!
Why was the will of the citizens of Danzig not respected?
Wat0n, you yourself have admitted that even the Jewish population was severely discriminated in Poland (Jews from Poland wanted to live in Germany, and refused to return to their native Poland!!).
wat0n wrote:ArtAllm wrote:
"Well, Jews always preferred to live Germany, even during the NS-Regime.
Polish Jews refused to return back to Poland in October 1938, they preferred to stay in Germany".
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polenaktion
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Polish nationalists were also mistreating Jews in Poland at the time...
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=150905&start=200
As already told, they started a Word War because they presumably wanted to save Poland, and that was not the case. They did not declare war on the SU that also invaded and occupied Poland, they have not rescued Poland!!!
wat0n wrote:...I said above that Poland was in a very concrete way punished by letting it fall under Stalin's sphere of influence...
Does that make any sense?
They first started WWII because they presumably wanted to save Poland, but then they punished Poland, letting it fall under Stalin's slavery?
Neither UK nor France or USA were threatened by the Third Reich.
It is obvious that Poland was just a patsy, nobody in the West cared a rat's ass about the "freedom" of Poles.
Polish fools were used to start WWII, and then given to Stalin.
Even leading Russian historians agree that the western powers could prevent WWII, if they wanted.
"Everyone who has studied the history of World War II without bias knows that the war began because of Poland's refusal to satisfy Germany's claims," he writes.
Kovalyov called the demands "quite reasonable."
He observed: "The overwhelming majority of residents of Danzig, cut off from Germany by the Treaty of Versailles, were Germans who sincerely wished for reunification with their historical homeland."
http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe ... _for_wwii/
We could see in the recent time how the Israel Lobby was able to stampede Americans and Brits into many wars for Israel. They just promoted lies about a "New Hitler" (Saddam Hussein), who presumably was planning to invade UK or USA and kill every American and Brit with his non-existing WMD.
It seems that the same was the case before WWII, the suckers in the UK and the USA were stampeded into a World War, because they were afraid of the "Huns" who presumably wanted to invade their countries.
Only if somebody wants a World War, then he sets as a pretext "red line".
Who profit from World Wars? The banksters!
They had also set such a "red line" in the Syrian conflict.
After that the warmongers do everything to provoke the violation of this "red line" to get their "casus belli" for transforming a local conflict into Word War.
But it seems that they do not have the guts to start WWIII, because they had blinked on Syria.
Their "false flag" operation was immediately exposed, and they were unable to stampede the population into a new Big War.
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