Rich wrote::lol: Really liberals do have the most absurd beliefs. This is what I mean by the narcissism of the liberal. The Iroquois were far more cruel than the Nazis and so were host of other primitive peoples. But because the Nazis figured so large in our history, so large in our consciousness, the Liberal has this emotional need for them to be the cruelist. Plenty of peoples had butchered Jews, Poles, Ukrainians, Romanians etc,but none of them needed to go to all the palava of building secret camps and gas chambers. When the Hutus wanted to genocide the Tutsi, they didn't fanny about for years on end like the Nazis did. They just got out their machetes and hacked them to death.
Gas chambers are not a particularly cruel way to kill people/ They're dead in a matter of minutes. If you want to be cruel what's wrong with crucifixion, its a tried and tested method and generally the suffering can be made to last for days. If the Germans had been a cruel people by historical standards, they would have crucified the Jews in public so as people could gloat over their suffering.
Now maybe you will say it was just the SS that were cruel. But again the SS compared to your Lakota, your Apache, your Commanche were a bunch of softies. Sure they had their hard core sadists, but you find those everywhere. A big part of the reason for gas chambers is because the straight forward killing traumatised so many of the Einsatzgruppen. Himmler I believe was physically sick. when he saw the executions and possibly Eichmann as well, Neither seemed to hav enjoyed the experience. Even Hitler wasn't a sadist. He may have watched some of the post July bomb plot executions, but theirs no evidence that I;ve seen that he used his position of power to watch people being tortured in general.
For some of the native American tribes, torturing prisoners of war was a proper communal event, lasting days, one that all the women and children could join in on.
Are you serious about this claim Rich?
Go and open a thread on those tribes you just said were unusually cruel. I lived among them for years. Go ahead. Let us see who got it wrong eh?