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#15305737
wat0n wrote:No, the evidence for the battalion being quartered there is that it's mentioned in the Al Qassam's website itself that the Nuseirat refugee camp was used for training and other similar uses. That implies quartering, regardless of your attempts to make some false analogy.


No.

The text you quoted does not mention that at all.

I ignored the personal attack.
#15305756
...Only if you ignore the sources and the fact that it places the battalion in central Gaza, which is where the Nuseirat refugee camp is.

As I mentioned earlier, you rightly condemn rapists and expect them to be brought to justice when they're Jewish, as in the case of Harvey Weinstein. Why can't the same apply to those of Hamas who raped, tortured, mutilated and executed women in Israel?
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wat0n wrote:
...Only if you ignore the sources and the fact that it places the battalion in central Gaza, which is where the Nuseirat refugee camp is.

As I mentioned earlier, you rightly condemn rapists and expect them to be brought to justice when they're Jewish, as in the case of Harvey Weinstein. Why can't the same apply to those of Hamas who raped, tortured, mutilated and executed women in Israel?



Because Rule of Law is not extended to Palestinians.

Law is not a buffet, although you act like it is. Which isn't to say they can't take a break from killing grandmothers and babies...
#15305759
late wrote:Because Rule of Law is not extended to Palestinians.

Law is not a buffet, although you act like it is. Which isn't to say they can't take a break from killing grandmothers and babies...


Ah, so you're now justifying mass murder and mass rape too. And you want perpetrators to be allowed to walk scots-free, like @Pants-of-dog.

Not that it surprises me, at all.

Yet another one added to the list of leftists who stand for mass rapists.
#15305761
wat0n wrote:...Only if you ignore the sources and the fact that it places the battalion in central Gaza, which is where the Nuseirat refugee camp is.


So the IDF is justified in deliberately bombing and killing refugees, women, and children in any crowded marketplace in central Gaza because a Hamas battalion is also in central Gaza somewhere.
#15305764
Pants-of-dog wrote:So the IDF is justified in deliberately bombing and killing refugees, women, and children in any crowded marketplace in central Gaza because a Hamas battalion is also in central Gaza somewhere.


Israel is justified in carrying out military operations against Hamas' infrastructure, even more so after warning civilians to evacuate and giving them time to do so.

Why do you keep seeking impunity for mass rapists like Hamas?
#15305768
There is ho evidence of Hamas’s presence or infrastructure in the refugee camp at the time of the attack.

Nor is there any evidence that the battalion is stationed there.

Consequently, the attack was a deliberate attack on refugees, women, and children, with no apparent military advantage to be gained.
#15305770
wat0n wrote:
Ah, so you're now justifying mass murder and mass rape too. And you want perpetrators to be allowed to walk scots-free, like @Pants-of-dog.



That is what shrinks call projection, sport.

Israel is a signatory to the Rome Accords, that is law, within limits.

But the relationship between Palestinians and Israel, that's a whole different kettle of fish. Israel has not given Palestinians Rule of Law, you can't use what you don't have.

You'll have to settle for mass murder, and you've already gotten comfy with that idea.
#15305772
Pants-of-dog wrote:There is ho evidence of Hamas’s presence or infrastructure in the refugee camp at the time of the attack.

Nor is there any evidence that the battalion is stationed there.

Consequently, the attack was a deliberate attack on refugees, women, and children, with no apparent military advantage to be gained.


Only if you choose to ignore the evidence presented here, as you usually do. Even Hamas itself admitted so in eulogizing one of the battalion's commanders :roll:

late wrote:That is what shrinks call projection, sport.

Israel is a signatory to the Rome Accords, that is law, within limits.

But the relationship between Palestinians and Israel, that's a whole different kettle of fish. Israel has not given Palestinians Rule of Law, you can't use what you don't have.

You'll have to settle for mass murder, and you've already gotten comfy with that idea.


Hamas doesn't give Israelis access to the rule of law, neither does the PA.

Your response? To justify mass murder and mass rape.
#15305777
"Due to our martyr’s military prowess, he was chosen to be part of the elite Qassam unit in the Nuseirat camp, where he continued for several years. He excelled, may God have mercy on him, in the field of the armor unit. He was chosen to be part of the armor unit specialty at the level of the Nuseirat battalion, and his star emerged as a trainer for the armor specialty at the level of the central governorate. God honored him by teaching the Mujahideen the arts and the field of specialization in armor, so he was transferred as a trainer in a number of Al-Qassam brigades in the Gaza Strip"

Not just a "passing mention", and according to the eulogy the battalion also has (or had) armor in the Nuseirat camp.
#15305782
"Due to our martyr’s military prowess, he was chosen to be part of the elite Qassam unit in the Nuseirat camp,


Yes, this is the passing mention. The sole tiny piece of evidence upon which the entire justification for this mass murder of innocents.

No one in their right mind would read that and say that this proves the battalion was there at the time of the attack.

where he continued for several years. He excelled, may God have mercy on him, in the field of the armor unit. He was chosen to be part of the armor unit specialty at the level of the Nuseirat battalion,


This shows that the battalion exists with that name. Nothing else. It does not tie the battalion to the refugee camp.

and his star emerged as a trainer for the armor specialty at the level of the central governorate. God honored him by teaching the Mujahideen the arts and the field of specialization in armor, so he was transferred as a trainer in a number of Al-Qassam brigades in the Gaza Strip"


And none of this has anything to do with the refugee camp.

All in all, the sole piece of evidence is a single passing mention.
#15305786
Now the United Nations is accusing Israel of the same sort of thing that the Soviet Union was , regarding the Holodomor .

Israel is intentionally starving Palestinians and should be held accountable for war crimes – and genocide, according to the UN’s leading expert on the right to food.

Hunger and severe malnutrition are widespread in the Gaza Strip, where about 2.2 million Palestinians are facing severe shortages resulting from Israel destroying food supplies and severely restricting the flow of food, medicines and other humanitarian supplies. Aid trucks and Palestinians waiting for humanitarian relief have come under Israeli fire.

“There is no reason to intentionally block the passage of humanitarian aid or intentionally obliterate small-scale fishing vessels, greenhouses and orchards in Gaza – other than to deny people access to food,” Michael Fakhri, the UN special rapporteur on the right to food, told the Guardian.

“Intentionally depriving people of food is clearly a war crime. Israel has announced its intention to destroy the Palestinian people, in whole or in part, simply for being Palestinian. In my view as a UN human rights expert, this is now a situation of genocide. This means the state of Israel in its entirety is culpable and should be held accountable – not just individuals or this government or that person.” In every famine - whether its human-made or climate-driven – children and infants, pregnant women and the elderly are the most vulnerable to malnutrition, disease and premature death. Nutrition screenings at health centers and shelters in January found almost 16% of children under the age of two – the equivalent of one in six infants – were acutely malnourished or wasting in northern Gaza, where 300,000 people are trapped with virtually no food aid being allowed in by Israel. Of these, almost 3% are suffering from severe wasting, at high risk of medical complications or death without urgent help, according to a recent UN report. Reports have emerged of parents feeding their children animal feed in hope of keeping them alive.

In Rafah in the south, where Israel is currently focusing military attacks, 5% of children under two years were acutely malnourished. Wasting was not a major concern in Gaza before the conflict, when 0.8% of children under the age of five were acutely malnourished.

The screenings took place in January, and the situation is likely to be even worse today, warned UNICEF – which has been denied access to the north despite daily requests since 1 January. “The speed of malnourishment of young children is also astounding. The bombing and people being killed directly is brutal, but this starvation – and the wasting and stunting of children – is torturous and vile. It will have a long-term impact on the population physically, cognitively and morally … All things indicate that this has been intentional,” said Fakhri, a law professor at the University of Oregon.

Intentionally starving civilians by “depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including willfully impeding relief supplies” is a war crime, according to the Rome statute of the international criminal court. Indispensable objects include food, water and shelter – which Israel is systematically denying Palestinians. Starvation is a war crime under the Geneva conventions and the Rome statute. It was also recognized as a war crime and general violation of international law by the UN security council in 2018.

Across Gaza, 95% of households are restricting meals and portion size, with adults going without to feed small children. Yet the little food people have lacks essential nutrients needed for humans to grow and thrive physically and cognitively. On average, the households surveyed had less than one litre of safe water per person per day. At least 90% of children under five are affected by one or more infectious disease.

“Hunger and disease are a deadly combination,” said Dr Mike Ryan, executive director of the World Health Organization’s emergencies programme.

The speed of the malnutrition crisis speaks to the fact that even before this war, half of Gazans were food insecure and almost 80% relied on humanitarian aid due to the 16-year blockade.

A 2019 study on small-scale agriculture in the Palestinian territories found that “the Israeli occupation is the most important single driver of food and nutrition insecurity.”

“It was already a very fragile situation due to Israel’s chokehold on what goes in and out of Gaza. So when the war started, Israel was very easily able to make everyone go hungry because they had most people on the brink,” said Fakhri. “We have never seen a civilian population made to go so hungry so quickly and so completely, that is the consensus among starvation experts. Israel is not just targeting civilians, it is trying to damn the future of the Palestinian people by harming their children.”

The catastrophic situation could still get worse. In late January, more than a dozen countries including the US, the UK, Germany, Australia and Canada suspended funds to the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA).

Financial aid was suspended immediately after Israel made unsubstantiated allegations against 12 UNRWA employees having links to Hamas – on the same day the international court of justice (ICJ) made its interim ruling ordering Israel to take all possible measures to prevent genocidal acts, and to take immediate steps to ensure the provision of basic services and humanitarian aid to civilians in Gaza. UNRWA, which has about 30,000 employees, provides emergency food, healthcare, education and other basic services for almost 6 million Palestinian refugees in Gaza, the occupied West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and East Jerusalem. On Friday, UNWRA said it could no longer function in north Gaza, where food was last delivered five weeks ago.

“Ending funding almost instantaneously based on unsubstantiated claims against a small number of people has no other purpose other than collective punishment of all Palestinians in multiple countries. The countries that withdrew this lifeline are undoubtedly complicit in the starvation of Palestinians,” Fakhri said. On Monday, Amnesty International said Israel had failed to take “even the bare minimum steps” to comply with the ICJ ruling to ensure sufficient life-saving goods and services reaching a population at risk of genocide and on the brink of famine.

The Israeli government argues that its war is against Hamas and a justified response to the unprecedented cross-border attack on 7 October, which left more than 1,100 people dead. Since then, almost 30,000 Gazans have been killed by Israeli attacks, according to the Palestinian health ministry. A further 70,000 have been injured, and thousands more are missing and presumed dead. An estimated 134 Israelis are still being held hostage by Hamas.

Israel has for years targeted Palestinian food and water sources. Israel has made foraging for native wild herbs like za’atar (thyme), ‘akkoub (gundelia) and miramiyyeh (sage) a criminal offense punishable by fines and up to three years’ imprisonment. Palestinians fishers have for years been shot at, arrested and sabotaged by Israeli forces – in violation of the 1995 Oslo accords permitting them fishing access up to 20 nautical miles.

And the current violence – against Palestinians and their food and water supplies – extends to the occupied West Bank.

After the 7 October attack, 24,000 acres of olives were left unharvested in the West Bank after Israel largely prevented farmers from accessing their orchards, resulting in the loss of 1,200 metric tons or $10m of olive oil – a key Palestinian export and powerful symbol for Palestinian identity. “The destruction of olive trees isn’t just an issue of food or commerce, it’s at the core of what it means to be Palestinian and their relationship to the land, just as the sea is central to what it means to be from Gaza,” Fakhri said.

The Israeli government did not respond to requests for comment about the statements from Fakhri, the UN rights expert.

Fakhri added: “Israel will claim there are exceptions to war crimes. But there is no exception to genocide and there’s no argument as to why Israel is destroying civilian infrastructure, the food system, humanitarian workers, and allowing this degree of malnutrition and hunger … The charge of genocide holds a whole state accountable and the remedy of genocide is the issue of self-determination of the Palestinian people.

“The path forward must not just be ending the war but actually peace.” The Guardian Article


It sort of reminds me of this scene from Star Trek Deep Space Nine .

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