- 11 Feb 2024 20:01
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We know it was not, because Israel initially dissolved the Islamic charity that would become Hamas when it learned it was gathering guns and rockets.
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noemon wrote:The crusades were conceived as a response to Muslim aggression and imperialism...(my bold)
Pants-of-dog wrote:Israeli problema with ethnic cleansing and genocide of Palestine are not confined to a few bad apples on the right.
The problems are systemic.
Settler colonialism is a structure, not an event.
wat0n wrote:So, it turns out some 12 UNRWA employees may have participated in the October 7 massacre.They were fired by UNRWA, but this poses many questions - are there other employees that are aiding Hamas? How does UNRWA exercise oversight over its employees? How much deference does UNRWA show towards Hamas, which is the de facto government of Gaza?
This has led the US and Canada to cut all funding to UNRWA. UNRWA is also the key agency managing humanitarian aid to Gazan civilians, so this is quite serious.
annatar1914 wrote:Let's not fool ourselves, this is the real context of the conflict:
The Caliphate blah blah blah
wat0n wrote:@Skynet the fact of the matter is that Israel has already taken both Gaza City and Khan Younis, and may as well go after Rafah.
Hamas doesn't want a peaceful solution,
Pants-of-dog wrote:It is true that Hamas does not want a peaceful solution.
This is why Hamas has been so successful in goading the IDF into constant attacks and thereby weakening international support for Israeli military activities.
skinster wrote:It's Netanyahu's ruling coalition of fascists
that refuse a peaceful solution. Hamas has offered all hostages for its own and the Israelis have shown no interest in getting their hostages back. Netanyahu knows his career is over as soon as his genocide in Gaza ends, that's why he's continuing like the maniac that he is.
No, it isn't. If you read the statements coming from Hamas and other resistance orgs in Palestine, they make clear their interests and intentions. The only way you can make the above claim is if you believe Hamas don't have any right to demand the return of their hostages
and an end to the genocide on the concentration camp they live in.
Hamas and other resistance orgs have been successful against the IDF because the IDF are a Tik-Tok army whose experience in war amounts to video games. When they've had to deal man-to-man, they've had their asses handed to them. Even elite IDF forces like the Golani brigade had to leave Gaza..
Pants-of-dog wrote:There is one video clip that supposedly shows a single UNRWA employee.
His family was killed in a bombing on October 16th.
Do you think the killing of his wife and kids was retaliatory?
wat0n wrote:@skinster you're delusional as always. Even if there are holdouts north of Rafah, Hamas is unable to govern there and much of its force is unable to keep fighting.
As for UNRWA, some of those employees are shown in October 7 footage.
Rich wrote:Fascists? What kind of fantasy world are you living in?
As I understand it the large majority of Jewish Israelis want to see Hamas destroyed. Again I think Hamas and its western supporters might be deluding themselves if they think they can carry out an attack like 10/7 and then return to business as usual.
I doubt that they will want to take over the task of annihilating Hamas from Netanyahu.
wat0n wrote:Was he killed too?
skinster wrote:You don't make any sense and reality clearly is not your friend. Hamas and other resistance orgs have not lost control of Gaza nor are they unable to keep fighting. IDF terrorists are getting killed every time they enter Gaza. From just this week:
Who's killing them?
skinster wrote:This is just something you pulled out of your ass. Stop lying because I will keep pointing out your lies and then everyone will see how you just lie and lie and lie and then you'll be known popularly as a liar and...nobody wants that, really. Do better!
Pants-of-dog wrote:No, it was the usual IDF tactic of bombing a residential home while there were only women and children in it.
I am suggesting the IDF deliberately targeted and killed this family in retaliation for the employee’s alleged involvement in the attack.
wat0n wrote:Prove this.
Rich wrote:This is always the pat liberal response. The highest and noblest motives must always be attributed to the Liberal unless it can be categorically proven otherwise and even then of course he will say this is just one bad apple. On the other hand the Liberal is entitled to attribute the most evil intentions to every action of his enemies. It now seems pretty certain that Navalny was killed by the Ukrainians, will they be apologising for the false accusations that they threw at Putin. I don't think so. Where as there's been a ton of accusations against Hamas. How many of these have been proven in impartial court with proper due process?
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