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Skynet wrote:@Potemkin Carthage: They were rich barbarians, they had human sacrifice... romans were brutal slave owners but did not have humans sacrifices... According roman historians during the siege of Carthage the inhabitants sacrificed many babys to appease the gods...

Yes, Moloch wanted lots of babies thrown into his fires…. But that wasn’t the reason why the Romans finally decided to finish Carthage once and for all. They had far more self-centred and pragmatic reasons for wanting to do that.
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Nobody here is actually talking about Ukraine and the conflict. Instead people discuss the roman empire, which the USA uses as a template for itself. For example they teach foreign leaders their ideology, just like the romans did. Thats why especially the current german government is serving the US empire instead of serving german interests.

But thats not on the current conflict, which is actually the theme of this thread. And a lot is actually happening right now. Lets summarize whats going on:

- Russia says Zelenskys term has run out and ukrainian law doesnt permit an extension of the term of the president just because of martial law. The later only applies to the parliament. There are laws which permit that but according to Russia they cannot overrule what the ukrainian constitution says. Thus Russia doesnt see Zelensky as a possible negotiation partner anymore. Mind, many leading ukrainians are in Russia, having left Ukraine after the coup in 2014, and have been asked about this issue. They would know.

- This also means Zelensky has no value anymore for Russia and is no longer protected.

- Not even Biden will appear on this absurd "peace conference" in Switzerland. Neither will China.

The point of the whole event is dubious anyway. They will just demand the maximalist conditions from Zelensky. Some "peace conference" indeed.

Russia wasnt even invited anyway; they were supposed to only receive the result. Yeah, thats not how peace conferences work.

- The Duran thinks that in the end Zelensky will lose his value to the US empire and will be dropped like a hot potatoe afterwards.

- Zelensky once again travels around in the world seemingly aimlessly, even more clearly than ever to avoid being in Kiev.

- After an almost empty parliament has finally decided about the new recruitment law, theres a new round of recruitments in Ukraine and this time its getting really brutal, with people literally fighting over not getting recruited. And its not hard to understand why, because the recruits get hardly any training before sent to the front lines.

- Zelensky has insulted China and claims they support Russia in the war.

The first problem with that: Well, they clearly dont.

Second problem: Russia doesnt need any external support; thats just another attempt at idiotic rationalization of the west why Russia is winning.

Third problem: if China would support Russia, their military resources would downright explode; so how would any sane man provocate China into actually doing that ? Obviously China IS already preparing for the war with the USA over reunion with Taiwan, so their military production will already be up, too.

By the way, the only country that actually uses chinese goods in this conflict is - Ukraine itself. They buy chinese drones and change them up for their own needs. Because thats actually better than using super expensive NATO drones. For starters, due to the price there arent many of those.

- Putin has actually publically debated wether Biden or Trump are better choices for the USA. He clearly thinks that enough people in the west now actually listening to what he says. And he indirectly implied that the conflict may still go on during US elections, something I didnt expect at all.

- While some people in this thread continue to have funny delusions, the leaders in the west clearly now realize that Russia is winning, and their panic only gets ever more intense. Macron is still trying to get french troups into Ukraine, and especially Europe wants to attack the undisputed parts of Russia with rockets and cruise missles. The idiots who lead us just cant handle they failed to win against Russia with arrogance and ignorance alone. They somehow believe that Russia wont fight back and that WW3 cant happen. The USA has again said no, but that may change in future of course.
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Negotiator wrote:While some people in this thread continue to have funny delusions, the leaders in the west clearly now realize that Russia is winning, and their panic only gets ever more intense.

Russia is still a long way from getting back to where they were at the end of August 2022. Russia again lost ground between June and October 2023. So yes they are advancing very slowly, but there's no reason for Ukraine's supporters to panic. Ending the conflict on the current front lines is the rational choice for both sides.
By Rugoz
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Negotiator wrote:Russia wasnt even invited anyway; they were supposed to only receive the result. Yeah, thats not how peace conferences work.


As usual, your posts are collections of made-up bullshit.

Swiss diplomacy tried hard to get Russia to come to that conference. Russia made it clear however that it doesn't want an invitation. I guess to avoid the "we weren't invited" propaganda crap, Switzerland should have sent one anyway.

That said, the conference is useless and we should be sending weapons instead. That's the only language Russia understands.
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By Skynet
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That said, the conference is useless and we should be sending weapons instead. That's the only language Russia understands.


Do you care also about the poor Congolese who get terrorized by Boko Haram and Lord's Ressitance Army and Rwanda mercenaries (m13)...
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By litwin
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Negotiator wrote:All empires are evil.

The roman empire specifically was obviously evil, too.

The core function of empires is to conquer other nations and then exploit them. This is evil. Obviously. Thats why all empires are evil.

And empires dont really benefit the people of the nation either. Look no further than the USA for an especially brutal example for that. The lower 90% of US workers havent had an actual raise of their income since the 1970s. The most they could hope for was compensation for inflation. All increases in productivity went into the pockets of the increasingly absurdly rich. In the 1990s, how much had the richest person on earth ? Maybe a douzen billion ? Elon Musk has already reached 200 billion US dollar a while ago, and the race to ever more absurd records only continues.


mongol - Muscovite EMPIRE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE WORST ONE.


Putin wears not only a bulletproof vest, but also tinted eyebrows,
Looks like he’s gone for the bulletproof cheek bones as well. Not called Czar Botox for nothing.

DO YOU AGREE THAT The cancer and Parkinson's medication is taking its toll ? he looks like an average older MUSCOVITE BABUSHKA

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So Putin gave interviews to international news in St. Petersburg and has just answered the question why Russia is moving so slowly in Ukraine.

He says that moving faster would be possible, but would inflict higher losses on them, which neither he nor the russian military leadership is prepared to accept.

If there ever will be an outer reason why Russia would need to make haste, they will, but until then they'll prefer to move slowly and focus on minimizing their losses. And this time may come, but its not now.

This gives time for the west to maneuver. But it also gives time for Russia to improve, and Russia is much better at improving than the west. They are actually improving, while the west is burning their reserves away.

Putin also said that everything is going according to their plans.



Rich wrote:Russia is still a long way from getting back to where they were at the end of August 2022.


This is again merely looking at territory.

But the primary goal of the russian forces is to destroy the ukrainian military. This has already been stated in October 2022 by one of the few statements from the russian military that we actually got about their plans, and more importantly it was a statement from the then head of the russian military (a General "Armageddon" - sorry I am not good at remembering these weird russian and ukrainian names). Therefore territorial gains or losses do not matter, because once the ukrainian military is grinded down, at some point there wont be any resistance anymore anyway.

This is by the way for example how WW1 was won. For the longest time hardly any territory was traded, then Germany collapsed, because it ran out of military resources.

For the record, this strategy also minimizes losses of civilian life, since the mostly static front lines in this type of war stay far away from most civilian areas.



Rugoz wrote:As usual, your posts are collections of made-up bullshit.

Swiss diplomacy tried hard to get Russia to come to that conference. Russia made it clear however that it doesn't want an invitation. I guess to avoid the "we weren't invited" propaganda crap, Switzerland should have sent one anyway.

That said, the conference is useless and we should be sending weapons instead. That's the only language Russia understands.

Not my state of information, but whatever. This isnt relevant. The conference is about Zelenskys maximalist demands. Which Russia would never accept anyway. And Russia wasnt invited to the discussions, thus would only receive the final result. Which would be again Zelenskys maximalist demands, which Russia obviously wouldnt accept. So whats the point of the whole event.

And nobody important shows up. Only the leaders of european countries, like Macron from France or Scholtz from Germany. USA, China, India, Saudi Arabia - they all didnt care.

I would like to point out that I have a regular job and my time to inform myself politically is limited. So no, I'm far from all knowing. I simply picked those sources of information which I consider best among the many, many options. There are many more options I could also consume but I simply dont have the time. And for that matter, I also dont have perfect memory either. Sorry if you feel personally insulted by that.
By Rugoz
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Negotiator wrote:And nobody important shows up. Only the leaders of european countries, like Macron from France or Scholtz from Germany. USA, China, India, Saudi Arabia - they all didnt care.


Wrong again. US and India will participate.
By Rugoz
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Negotiator wrote:I simply picked those sources of information which I consider best among the many, many options.


Hint: You suck at picking sources. In contrast to you I drop sources which have proven to be wrong repeatedly.
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Negotiator wrote:So Putin gave interviews to international news in St. Petersburg and has just answered the question why Russia is moving so slowly in Ukraine.

He says that moving faster would be possible, but would inflict higher losses on them, which neither he nor the russian military leadership is prepared to accept.

If there ever will be an outer reason why Russia would need to make haste, they will, but until then they'll prefer to move slowly and focus on minimizing their losses. And this time may come, but its not now.

This gives time for the west to maneuver. But it also gives time for Russia to improve, and Russia is much better at improving than the west. They are actually improving, while the west is burning their reserves away.

Putin also said that everything is going according to their plans.





This is again merely looking at territory.

But the primary goal of the russian forces is to destroy the ukrainian military. This has already been stated in October 2022 by one of the few statements from the russian military that we actually got about their plans, and more importantly it was a statement from the then head of the russian military (a General "Armageddon" - sorry I am not good at remembering these weird russian and ukrainian names). Therefore territorial gains or losses do not matter, because once the ukrainian military is grinded down, at some point there wont be any resistance anymore anyway.

This is by the way for example how WW1 was won. For the longest time hardly any territory was traded, then Germany collapsed, because it ran out of military resources.

For the record, this strategy also minimizes losses of civilian life, since the mostly static front lines in this type of war stay far away from most civilian areas.




Not my state of information, but whatever. This isnt relevant. The conference is about Zelenskys maximalist demands. Which Russia would never accept anyway. And Russia wasnt invited to the discussions, thus would only receive the final result. Which would be again Zelenskys maximalist demands, which Russia obviously wouldnt accept. So whats the point of the whole event.

And nobody important shows up. Only the leaders of european countries, like Macron from France or Scholtz from Germany. USA, China, India, Saudi Arabia - they all didnt care.

I would like to point out that I have a regular job and my time to inform myself politically is limited. So no, I'm far from all knowing. I simply picked those sources of information which I consider best among the many, many options. There are many more options I could also consume but I simply dont have the time. And for that matter, I also dont have perfect memory either. Sorry if you feel personally insulted by that.


Don't worry brother, the Russian casualties are sky rocketing especially with the failed Kharkov Offensive that literally did nothing while we are increasing military production in Europe. Good luck with the long term or convincing the Ukrainians to surrender or something.

Its nice to see that even in the IRIS T (Anti air complexes and missiles) category that we are going to 4x the production by 2025 and its already up by 2x. In 2025-2026 we will be able to produce enough missiles for IRIS T to intercept not majority but all Russian missiles produced in the same year if given to Ukraine. On top of it being better than Patriot at its job with the only downside it not being able to intercept Ballistic missiles due to hight sealing. And as Ukranians say, its interception rate is 9/10 :excited: But since nobody is firing intercontinental ballistic missiles here then IRIS T is good.
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Rugoz wrote:Wrong again. US and India will participate.

Wrong. Neither Biden nor Modi will participate.

Yes they may sent delegations, but thats irrelevant.


Rugoz wrote:Hint: You suck at picking sources. In contrast to you I drop sources which have proven to be wrong repeatedly.

Uh-hu. And yet you have nothing to offer to prove that claim. You just have some nitpicks about perfectly irrelevant details, which you dont understand and try to blow up to relevancy.

Theres a big "peace conference", which is based on maximalist demands of one side, and other side isnt even invited. Thats not how peace conferences ever worked. Even the ill fated peace conference of Versailles which in the end would create the foundation to the Nazi dictatorship and thus the second world war and the three genocides of Nazi Germany (gypsies, jews in the "Endlösung", the Holocaust, and "slaws", i.e. eastern europeans, in the "Generalplan Ost") still had Germany as participant.

Thats whats going on and you try to argue about irrelevant details about this.

And about my favorite sources, I have listened to many, and then picked the best.

The Duran is weak in many regards. They dont understand military aspects best, they dont understand economic aspects best. But they are both from old diplomatic families and they are very good in understanding diplomacy. They also understand business economics (not political economics) very well. They are also very good at talking with everyone, so you get good military experts on the show and good economic experts on the show.

Hardly anyone for example speaks about how Russia has to constantly talk with the global majority, and how Putin cant just do whatever he wants, but depends upon the Duma (russian parliament) for actually doing things.

Thats why they are my favorite source.

My other main source is the german Nachdenkseiten (translates to "thinking pages"), which is extremely broad and cites an enormous bandwidth of opinions, including many english sources. Unfortunately I dont know anything in english with compareable quality.
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Negotiator wrote:This is again merely looking at territory.

Oh indeed! And I remember that @Rugoz called me an idiot for doing so quite some time back,I think it was not that long after the fall of Kherson. He was criticising me from the opposite perspective. Supposedly i was too stupid to understand all the fantastic victories that were coming down the pipeline to Ukraine. :lol: What an idiot he looks like now.

The four big winners from this war are China, Azerbaijan, Iran and North Korea.
By Rugoz
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Rich wrote:Oh indeed! And I remember that @Rugoz called me an idiot for doing so quite some time back,I think it was not that long after the fall of Kherson. He was criticising me from the opposite perspective. Supposedly i was too stupid to understand all the fantastic victories that were coming down the pipeline to Ukraine. :lol: What an idiot he looks like now.


Merely looking at territory is still wrong. What fantastic victories did I predict? I'm fairly consistent in my position, to the extent our limited knowledge allows it.
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By Skynet
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litwin wrote:or we can give the invaders serbiian Republika Srpska instead , what do you think ?



I am not Bosnian, I am Sandshakli, this is not the same ethnicity, but I think Bosnia would be better on if it would give land away to Serbia.
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