I will have one last try. Apparently the problem may have been my accidentally omitting / at the end of quote I will also leave out the first and last bit as possibly the post will be deleted if they are in seen as a repeat post.
Ter's already posted bit
Thank you.
Ter wrote:@alethea
As to your post, you repeat the whole mantra of the Arab side, you talk about colonial, occupation, about that young woman being in prison for slapping a soldier...
Well if that is what they are saying, they are saying the truth.
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
First of all, her court case will be most of all for the incitement to terrorism, i.e. calling for more stabbings and suicide bombings and rock throwing.
You are in Israel and preparing her trial. That is not what she was arrested for. I have heard some talk about that though Please give further details
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
Also, it cannot be denied that whatever the circumstances, there is a lot of provocation intended.
You believe it is not provocation to take a people's land and source of water but is to complain about it? Like I said you believe they must act subservient.
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
An incident is created whilst filming the events.
No the incident happened. B'Tselem first gave the Palestinians cameras years ago so that they could film what the Israelis did to them. Of course they now all have phones. Filming of the incident just shows what has happened.
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
If the soldiers react, it is oy vey how could they do that to that sweet innocent girl.
and what of the soldiers shooting in the head her 14 year old cousin and coming into her yard with no warrant - the very soldier she had just seen shooting her cousin. And what of the soldiers killing her 17 year old cousin this year. I guess you do not want them filmed. That you find it so strange that a 16 year old girl would feel traumatised and lash out when she is met with the very person who has done this, who may well have just killed her cousin, as I said indicates that you do not see Palestinians as human beings who would have the same emotions and reactions as we would expect of all people who we do believe are human.
Interestingly when the family was being interviewed by an Israeli German and they watched a video of Ahed in one of her altercations with soldiers who were harming someone, she put her hands over her face in embarrassment. Rather than act proud she acted embarrassed at her actions. May have a lot more to do with being a red head having been brought up not to believe she was an inferior human being who must bow to her masters.
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
Now that the soldiers did not react, they make up a story saying how brave she was and rattatatatat.
She is brave. She has never allowed herself to be beaten. That is why Israel is so scared of her. However in this instance her reaction was far more because of her emotions in seeing her 14 year old cousin shot in the head and having the very soldier who did that come into her yard. Only if you believe that Palestinians are sub human can you ignore this.
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
Posters are being made, people are being assembled,
Indeed and people make out again and again that Ahed stands for the hundreds of Palestinian children who are brought before military court, and henceforth into military detention. By International law children should only be held in custody if it is absolutely necessary and then for the very shortest time. It is right that any who believe in the rights of children and International Law use this to make the world aware of what the children of Palestine suffer.
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
it seems the Arabs need a new hero (the bearded men shouting death to Israel were not a big success, let's try a sweet white young girl for a change). And the anti Zionist zealots are keeping it in the news, inciting more protests.
You always ignore the issues. You believe it is correct that Israel is illegally taking these people's land and resources. One woman who used to report regularly from the village said watching what happened there, the shooting of the people and all the other aggression which happened and was not reported in Israel resulted in her giving up being a zionist.
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
The long and the short of it is that Israel will not capitulate for this.
Oh I agree with you there. Just as Israel has never been able to handle non violent resistance she cannot tolerate a Palestinian not knowing her place and acting like a normal human being.
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
They have nowhere to go
Exactly who has ever suggested they go anywhere except back to before 67 war lines? I do though accept that because of all the settlements a two state solution would be very difficult now and likely result in civil war in Israel. The only just possibility left is one state with citizenship and equal rights for everyone
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
and they have built a country since seventy years on a land that was allocated to them by the UN.
em no. First it isn't accurate to say the UN allocated land to them. After a break in proceedings where there was much black mail and bribery they did managed to get a suggestion of giving Israel who were 33% of the population 55% of the land. This was never made into anything legal. Israel simply declared her own state. The actually amount of land that Israel took in 48 however is much more than 55% - what you believed the UN gave them. What she took was 78% of the land. Jordan and Egypt took the rest but Israel took this back in her 67 expansionist war. In Oslo the Palestinians agreed to accept that there was now a State called Israel in 78% of their historic homeland. They agree to accept the 22% which was left as a viable congruous state and it is that that the current issues are about. Israel has been ignoring Oslo and International Law and settling the West Bank and Golan Heights. She now wants to take 62% of the West Bank and leave the Palestinians in tiny Bantustans with no rights of self determination for eternity. This goes totally against International and is itself bringing the world to a point where it is giving up the rule of law - Trump and Jerusalem for example. We have not had such a situation since the darkest ages.
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
They have been attacked and their Arab and Persian neighbours want to eradicate them.
What! You are claiming that a young girl going ott after being confronted by the soldier who has just shot her 14 year old cousin in the head is an attack.
Israel from the time in 48 when there was a ceasefire and she went against that ceasefire and got more weapons, has always had military superiority over the rest of the Arab states. After the 67 war some of her top military asked people to stop with the line of poor little Israel, that really being an insult on their military who could deal with anything they met. She has had many opportunities to come to peace with the Arab States but could not accept them as she has not yet the amount of land she wants.
Ter wrote:[usermention=49930]
Until reasonable compromises are reached from both sides, with security guarantees, the situation will not improve.
My previous paragraph put in beginning 'The Palestinians made a more than reasonable compromise in the Oslo agreements. '
see if that works