fuser wrote:@ Brigeburner
I stopped reading your post when you once again claimed that I said Soviet Production of Trucks was higher than LL trucks, I have explicitly said otherwise. My point was now for nth time that Soviets had pre war stocks too and thus share of Soviet truck in R Army was much higher than western Trucks.
Now, its quite clear that you are utterly incapable of reading simple posts and all you have is stupid repetitions and strawmans. Come back when you have developed the capability to read and understand counter arguments and when you have anything at all new to say that hasn't been addressed before.
You are so full of shit, I've addressed this multiple times, the majority of the red army was DESTROYED at barbarossa
Are you going to dispute this indisputable fact, the majority of the Red Armys airforce, armor and logistics were concentrated on the Western border with Germany and were encircled and destroyed ?
Please, go and find ONE, just ONE historian that disagrees with this fact.
Go read Glantz
Glantz, David M (1998), Stumbling Colossus: The Red Army on the Eve of World War
Here's a nice place to start for historically illiterate people.
Till then keep crying about me being russophile, anti-asian or whatever shit that will make you feel better about yourself.
Come back when you've read a history book with a single primary source mate. Until then I've seen posturing that has you rejecting a member of the USSR general staff because they "disagree" with your position. Nice work. How do you manage the cognitive dissonance? Don't respond to me unless you are going to start citing facts.
Bulaba Jones wrote:I do not care what facet of WWII in particular (the VVS) you have been focusing on. My post was pretty clearly in response to the ideas in this thread by people who think it was even feasible for the Western Allies to attack the Soviets, and was not in response to you in any manner.
Good, then don't respond to me. It's not unfeasible and it's actually the Allies holding onto their responsibility for an independent and free Poland and Czechslovakia. Not that you'd give a shit about that though.
Typically I scroll past your posts without reading them at all but in this case I saw you quote me. It's too bad that you're upset that I mocked the idea of invading Russia being a piece of cake, but it is a really laughable idea and hard not to laugh at. However yes, I haven't read any of your posts and don't plan to.
Oh you couldn't resist could you.
Dude, I post on this forum maybe 3,4 times every 3 months or so, I don't give a shit if a boring run of the mill leftist "doesn't read my posts" on a backward corner of the internet, kindly stop waving your e-peen about your position as an "esteemed forum member", a little bit of information, people like visiting these forums for the interesting people like FRS, Potemkin, Rei, Donald (RIP), Dave (RIP), Ombrageux (RIP) and not the boring run of the mill liberals (or whatever flavor of leftist you are) that can be found on every part of the internet and a post record consists of regurgitated tumblr-tier garbage that is tiresome.
You are just not very entertaining man, I appreciate it that you don't read my posts, you really aren't the intended audience at all, there's no saving people like you.
Anyway, since you clearly think "invading Russia is a laughable idea", go back and read about these peoples who've managed it
Varyag Vikings
Mongol Conquest of Russia #1
Tamerlane #2
Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth
Japan at Mukden and Port Arthur.
Nothing particularly laughable about it.
Nothing particularly laughable about Barbarossa either, I can assure none of the Soviets found it amusing in the slightest, and what you think was a foregone conclusion was a matter that hung in the very balance, with every bit of Allied Assistance via Lend-Lease making a Soviet victory possible (and not pyhrric or fatal).
And lol @ "one liner"
I've seen more substance in skinsters singular smiley face posts than that one.
Pretty much every Western Ally or major/colonial power at that time had been or was engaging in the oppression of multiple ethnic groups in different regions of the world,
Ah the old
Cold war era fallacy incredible, are people still using this day?
Unless you are going to excuse Nazi liquidation of Jews by that same standard though.
so I fail to see how the Soviets were unique in this regard, as although they didn't balk at liquidating bourgeois elements, they never tried to exterminate whole ethnic groups, reduce ethnic populations to second-class citizenship like occurred throughout the colonial world,
What a load of shit. The USSR continued a policy of ethnic Russian supremacy, the entire Far-East and Central Asia (and Manchuria) was land acquired by force from Asians and subject to large scale demographic colonialism by ethnic Russians, hell, I bet you don't even know about the fact that over 175,000 Koreas were deported from the Russian Far East, the persecution and repression of nationalist central asian leaders and the forced de-culturization and Russification of places like Mongolia as a result of the Bolsheviks is not a crime you get to gloss over easily. The fact that the Soviets managed to destroy the diversity of languages and traditions in Central and Far East Asia is a tantamount to the same actions carried out by the einsatzgruppen in Eastern Europe.
Forced Russification and primacy of Russians amongst the USSR was defacto state policy from the 30s to the 90s. The korenizatsya policy was all but rejected.
I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, before all, the Russian people.
I drink, before all, to the health of the Russian people, because in this war they earned general recognition as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the nationalities of our country.
Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, Chechens, Ingush, Balkars, Kalmyks were all deported en-masse to Siberia. Demographic ethnocide was favored by importing in thousands of Muscovites throughout the territories of the USSR, continuing Imperial Russian policy, and marginalizing self-determination and self-rule for ethnicities.
and so on. Since you acknowledge that the major European powers were already engaged in ethnic oppression and ethnic superiority (implied in their colonies at the very least), I don't know why you're giving me this pity party about the Soviets, considering everything they possibly did had already been done before or was institutionalized by some European power before or during the war.
Please, America is the only nation that gets a pass from me with regards to colonialism, the efforts FDR , Truman and the American people did for victims of colonialism have to be respected and affirmed.
The Germans and Japanese destroyed continental European colonial powers ability to function. The only pity was that the final and last colonial empire on this planet - the Soviet Union/Russian Federation,wasn't turned into a Muscovite rump state.
If you think communists are liberals then it sheds a lot of light on why you're taking the notion of attacking the Soviets so seriously, because both are pretty dumb.
Try reading a book for once, instead of Tumblr, might help with the whole historical illiteracy.
You, or Fuser, still both haven't explained how the USSR is going to win against the Western Allies when the entirety of bomber command can nuke, firebomb and utterly destroy Soviet industrial centres and stymie any sort of aggressive advance into Western Europe.
I like how both fuser and you are notably silent when actually questioned with the fact that the VVS can't do jack shit to stop the Allies nuking a hole in the Soviet advance and obliterating Moscow. How is the Red Army going to reach Paris? Anyone want to tell me?
I've already outlined how an Allied force will isolate and grind down a USSR to a halt that has lost 1/8th of its manpower , over 30 million total casualties and is surrounded on all fronts by hostile nations, in addition to an America that has only suffered 500,000 casualties and at the height of its industrial power.
You have a USSR that has its entire network of agriculture, industry and logistics vulnerable to allied strike, and the only danger the allies face is fighting a defensive war in Europe against a Soviet army that is completely exhausted, overstretched and under-supplied, suffering 80,000 in casualties and over 300,000 wounded taking BERLIN against teenagers and old men in the Volkssturm. Please point out how on a map exactly the USSR will manage to take care of a full strength, fully supplied Allied Army that would have the additional support of ex-Wermacht personnel. Tell me how the Soviets will mount any successive offensive or troop concentration when the Allies can turn those divisions into isotopes.
fuser wrote:I am also laughing hard that somehow me supporting US and British Empire (of all places) in a hypothetical scenario will make me a "good" Asian.
What about realpolitik is it hard for you to grasp fam? How is Europeans dying in an even greater war not beneficial for Asia, how is the dissolution of the Russian supremacist state squatting on Asian land not beneficial for Asia? Communists are full of shit, the one state they've got a raging hardon for is an instrument of European colonialism and literally the last colonial empire on the planet.
But then it could had been worse, I was also accused of being a Britshophile for opposing the idea that Britain would had fallen if she stood alone against Nazi Germany.
Uh, dude, what are you even talking about. I'm waiting for your answers on Allied 4 engined bombers and altitude by the way, since you seem incapable of understanding basic physics and why a plane with higher altitude has a massive energy advantage over a plane with lower altitude.