Sivad wrote:The workers couldn't start a social cooperative or democratically establish publicly owned industries?
Maybe. But they didn't. So my statement is factually correct as a matter of objective physical reality, while you are attempting to dispute it with a hypothetical. Sorry, but what might have happened if workers had had the qualities of a factory owner is irrelevant to what DID happen because they DIDN'T.
The rich industrialists maintain their private control of capital by corrupting our democracy with money and lies,
No, they do not. It is banksters, landowners, IP monopolists, and other privilege holders who do that, not factory owners, because owning a factory confers no power to do so. The factory owner must compete. The privilege holder is preserved from that necessity.
so through graft and duplicity the factory owner also deprives the worker of opportunity he WOULD otherwise have enjoyed.
No, that is just baldly false as a matter of objective physical fact. It is impossible for anyone to deprive any worker of opportunity he would otherwise have by owning a factory, because the factory is not an opportunity that would otherwise have existed. Only by owning land titles, natural resource rights, IP monopolies, bank licenses and other privileges can anyone deprive the worker of opportunity he would otherwise have. It is impossible to do so by merely owning a factory. You have not described any mechanism whereby it would be possible, nor will you ever be doing so.