Pants-of-dog wrote:
Many of us do not live by the myths of the Abrahamics. And because of freedom of religion, you cannot use the state to impose your religious beliefs on others.
So, religious thought is not relevant to the debate as far as I can tell.
So, you are a big believer in majority rules, and the minority maintains its rights? Sounds fun.
I am not so sure. I don't trust you, and I do not care that much what you think about it, and I would like to impose my viewpoints that are based off fo my historic, classical Western perspectives on you to
some degree. Not to a large degree, of course, like where I can actively strip you of things, but to the degree that you will have to see my cultural norms (the norms of this society from its inception) honored.
No, of course you don't have to attend church mandatorily, nor do you have to pray in the school, nor will we invade your private life... But why would we melt our cultural institutions & conventions down into pig iron and smelt a new edifice built on cultural Marxism?
No.
We have Christian reference points in America & we will stick with that, thanks.
Why do you care what people do to their bodies?
I don't care what Bruce Jenner does to his body, or what any individual does to his individual body. Maybe in some abstract sense I would like them to not do it because I believe that is in their best interests, just as I would advise a morbidly obese man to put down the candy bar, and I would advise an alcoholic I didn't know to put down the bottle...
But what I actively care about is the collective social norms of the society.
Basically,
for the same reason that you don't want to see racist culture perpetuated and will ostracize and destroy people you perceive as racists, I just want to have my opinion heard and respected, and also treated as a social norm or convention. In reality, I am really, really bloody middle of the road on this compared to the left.
Since the problems causing suicide are probably things like transphobia, and the operations do not cure transphobia in the bigots targeting trans people, why would you think the operations would solve the problems causing high rates of suicide?
Maybe... just maybe... anyone who has this condition is in a dangerous mental space to begin with, and we react as we see the situation unsettling..?
They say they can't really change their feelings on this... why do you think I will be able to change my fundamental feelings on this?
Yes, and these issues are things like “acceptance of trans people” and advances in medical science which are then making it easier for trans people to be open about themselves and who they are.
How..?