FiveofSwords wrote:You seem incapable of getting my point. I actually don't care what motivated the British empire to conquer india...but Greed is honestly one of the most noble reasons for conquest. At least there is some rational point for greed instead of mere psychopaths. One could interpret 'greedy as simply expanding your resources and therefore your power which is needed to defend yourself from other hostile nations (the British probably had France or north America in mind for that)...so I'll take it...let's say the British conquered India to expand their resources and their ability to defend themselves. Great.
But from the point of view of India or anyone who doesn't want to be conquered the most important lesson should simply be that if you are weak you will be conquered. So you should try to not be weak. No powerful empire is going to care that it makes you sad that they conquer you, nor are they going to care if you think their motivations are 'savage'...so you would accomplish nothing by crying. The only reason crying works on the modern British is because the modern British are weak. But because they are weak they also cannot assist you very much. So you are basically wasting your efforts by crying. That is the only important observation that should be made here.
So now the argument is about how being fearful and competitive with other greedy Empires in Europe who might steal your right to steal then you have to use force. You do not care about the reasons. With your reasoning then war is inevitable and you have be warmongering forever to not be weak? So what does war require eh? Soldiers taking orders and arms and occupations. You also need to recruit locals. A relationship is established, and you show them who is boss. You deny them some rights that you only apply to your own group and create hatred, resentment, defiance, and rebellion with the lack of respect that implies--and then you get someone like Gandhi leading a nonviolent social movement for Indian independence. But since the Indians are weaklings and deserve what they get? That movement is bound to fail and all is good in conquest. But, it did not fail. India got her independence in 1946.
So they were kicking out the English conquerors who thought they could hold on to the weaklings forever for greed purposes. Meanwhile, the English started receiving a lot of British subjects from India and Pakistan living in English towns and villages. Because once you take over the weaklings you start interacting with them and they then have to have immigration rights in order for you to salvage what you can from your Greed Filled Conquest and boorish lack of respect for the Rights of the weaklings.
Wow, what terrific results from all that shitty violence. And you do not care about the reasons.
So how to get that back eh? The MoJo...they need to feel good about being an old Has Been Empire again. because now, they are just the poodles of the USA.
To come down so low because they found it too difficult to keep hold of nations that did not want their STRONG and VIOLENT and GREEDY leadership eh?
And the 45 Trillion with a T money siphoned off of them for a long time--What happened to it? Why are Welsh villages and a bunch of British households living off of pittances and the dole if the UK got all that money off of the weaklings? Did it stay at the top with the elite?
And what did they do with it? Waste it on more wars and invasions that eventually led to loss of control because they never gave a damn about the reasons. Only the results. The results then became after WWII a bunch of Jamaicans moving to London and other towns, to build up the bombed out properties....because they needed the labor. The labor of the weaklings.
What a crock of shit you believe in @FiveofSwords. War is expensive and costly today and tomorrow. The sooner you stop wasting your money on it and you invest it in the education, health and well-being of your own people instead and start being some weakling nasty cold violent greedy Empire the better off everyone is going to be in the long run.
The other alternative is to take another 50 million refugees from every corner of the Ex Empire and displace the native Anglos, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish. See how stable your strong society will remain with all the ones seeking a better life after receiving the gentle ministrations of the British empire for a few centuries.
No, warmongering is no longer cost effective. It is draining resources when human resources are becoming scarce and difficult to obtain and extract. The only thing your mentality will accomplish is a total collapse of systems and angry mobs willing to be angry at the ones charging them too much for energy and food. The Strong then become vulnerable. Weak. And they have to face that which they did to others, will eventually be done to them. Justice. A fitting thing eh? You do not like misery, living with Muslims in your backyard and in your major cities? And losing a bunch of power in terms of being able to have at least some minimum standards of living. I am afraid to tell you? But I must insist. You did not care about the reasons Sword dude. So when the shit hits the fan....no one is going to be crying tears for the ones who did not care about the reasons.
Ave Maria, how foolish can you be?