@Verv
The only question is whether or not there will be definitive proof of large-scale election fraud.
OK. Emotions are high. So right back at you. Your question is: Will there or will there not be "definitive proof of large-scale election fraud"?
Well let's see. We know the answer to that already. And I am going to say this again....Nobody, but nobody in the republican controlled government, the state republican controlled legislatures, any of the republican controlled counties, or even Trump's bigly funded legal team can find a damn thing. Not a thing. They have carried over 30 "cases" to judges and not even gotten past a probable cause hearing. So Verve, the question has already been answered. IF there was anything there the Justice Department and all of its diversity would have found it. It really is that simple son. To deny that requires a conspiracy so vast its size defies imagination.
Just to use one example...It would not be enough to send in fake ballots. That would be instantly recognizable because the checksum would fail spectacularly. The votes would have to be changed from Trump to Biden without anyone knowing.
As Godstud noted, Police in Bright Red Iowa caught one person sending in two ballots and arrested her. Yet you want us to believe that, other than her, the police and election officials everywhere just did not find the other few hundreds of thousands of cases of fraud? Seriously Verve. I hope that you are having fun trolling but if you have gone that far down the rabbit hole you really need to take a beer retreat to your younger days when, judging from your very thoughtful posts, you would never have believed something this outrageous.
@ralfy
3. There's no consistent standard for registration and voting in each area (e.g., no voter's ID, any ID will do, with or without printed ballots for some local elections).
This is patently not true. All jurisdictions have their rules for registration. My own state has voter ID laws and flipped from bright red to blue this time. But you see, ralfy, the diversity of rules and procedures is one of the reasons that voter fraud is so hard to do and even harder to cover up. A politician wishing to subvert enough counties to overturn an election would have to craft a strategy that changes from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, implement it, hide it, make sure none of the many officials who would have to be subverted keep quiet and.....Sorry. It just does not happen.
4. Electronic systems have lots of vulnerabilities (e.g., software not necessarily audited, lots of devices that may be connected to manipulate data, etc.).
Really? Do you do online banking? Do you manage your investments online? Do you file your taxes online? Even when there is a problem all of these are quick to find it and almost invariably before any real money changes hands. But it is not the lost money that is the issue it is the certainty that these institutions WILL find the problem and quickly.
I will point out to those who advocate paper ballots, that mail-in ballots ARE paper ballots. My own state conducts audits of those ballots and found, wait for it, nothing out of line. I can personally go online, and track the progress of my ballot from its receipt by the election commission to its actually counting. We are told that thousands of people do this. And not a soul noticed that something was out of line?
So far the one question that the Trump supporters have yet to answer is the most simple one: Why, with all of the horsepower (including complete control of the executive branch of the federal government) can't they find what would have to be rampant fraud? I defy any one of the Trump supporters to answer that simple question.